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Al Gore hatred, justification? Now I was surprised to read so much desdain and hatred about Al Gore and curious why it is driving the right certifiably insane. I started to question what did Al Gore do so wrong to deserve such a negative and agressive outcry and then came this piece But really we should focus on the solutions not our differences.

When in doubt Well whether it is natural or man induced climate change, what is going on and wehether we can do anything about it is definitely what we need to discuss here (not whether Gore deserve a price, although some people might get more a kick out of that). Again the fact that he shared the price with many people that we don't hear about here but that are all over the news in Europe really illustrate the sheltered environment the media has restricted us to. The Nobel price is not singleling Gore or recognizing him especially (the media in the US is). The NP is recognizing the issues and the people who are working hard to understand what is going on and what can be done if any. But this is a global issue not just an US issue. If as you think it is a natural climate change, is there anything that we as human we can do to reduce the impact that this may have on ecosystems and many other aspect of life as we know it today. The disapearance of corals, melting of glaciers etc...Can we limit or reduce the phenomenon ? Can we be sure that we have no effect at all? And if we can't be sure what can we do? If as I undertsand it human do contribute a fair amount to global warming, ozone depletion etc... then the same questions apply. In an area where disinformation rules our everyday news there is no certitude one way or another. We could all be manipulated (as we are already for so many things) in thinking certain things that are possibly fiction. However, if by any chance the warning signs are real and we can have an impact. Wouldn't you think that it is a lesser risk to take action that may change the course of things and at worse just make the environment cleaner and a better place for your kids to grow (this if for when you'll start cooking your buns in the oven)? There is much more to lose if we just seat still, and watch it as it happens and realize then that we could have made a difference "back then" (especially if we could have). So the issue is not about who is wrong or right or who knows best, it is about common sense and how we process the information, and how as a species we solve the problem (and whether we can). For the same reason we try to prevent our tanks to crash by making sure we do not create unnecessary stresses or unbalances that we know could have disatrous consequences. Are you willing to foster a behaviour that we know has its problems, some of them are clear, others not so clear. Just ask yourself, which behaviour would have the more damaging impact if the thinking is wrong? Just be honest with the planet, treat it with respect and prevention regardless of who is right on the issue. I am not asking to hug a tree, just to be honest about the good things that we can do and the one we know are not so good. We don't have to agree on many things, but as a society if we want to pretend that we are a civilization, we have to behave as one and act as one and use our talents to beautify not to destroy, especially when in doubt?

And by consciousness I mean things like this:

So cool to see this issue making the Nobel price list and award. While Gore might be the most famous person in the US for that award, this is shared by many many scientists and people in Europe who worked really hard on understanding what is going (one of them right here in Oregon at OSU). Al is only one in a hundred to get teh distinction for this round but it's good to have people talking about this issue. Would be even better to see problem solvers not problem makers, but maybe that comes with consciousness... Not "compassionate" consciousness

Is your system different than this one? http://www.nano-reef.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=117794

You'll defintely have to host a PNWMAS meeting so we can all come and check it out.

Me three. Thanks

Let me know what you find out locally! And where to find those

Wow, those look amazing. What kind of care/conditions/lighting/feeding do they need? Are they similar to the more common "Candy Cane" we see quite a bit around here?

Absolutely, will do!

Yes there is plenty for everyone, just send me a PM so we can work out pick up time or how much I need to bring to the meeting.

Interesting, What type of Urchin do you have. Reef safe?

I have lots of chaeto (about 3 volleyball worth) full of pods. Will be happy to bring some to our next meeting on the 21st at barelycuda's. I'll supersize it if you ask nicely

Sequence Sent you PM

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Might need your skills for putting up a wall for an in wall project. Spectra already on it, but could use your input as well and see if we can work something out.

OK there might have been a thread on this already but I can't find it. So how do you remove coralin algae from acrylic without emptying the tank and without scratching the surface. Let me know the tricks you have used that really work, it grew in the middle of my tank while I was away and I'd like to get it out at least at that spot.

You won't need a folding chair I have hammock chairs suspended from the ceiling. I have not estimated the cost of building the wall around the tank yet. Anyone knows someone who knows how to do that and what is involved?

I'll be happy to host a couple of them that you can have back anytime too as a precaution, to make sure that great name doesn't go exctinct! Glad they are doing well!

I'm potentially upgrading my reef, and considering selling off the 200gal beautiful Tank I got from Reefhut 6 months ago. Tank dim's 5'X 2"X 30" tall 3/4"acrylic custom made. Black back w/center overflow. The stand and canopy are a beautiful oak with cherry stain. Minor scratches that I inherited when I got the tank. $1200 Reason for selling: I am contemplating getting a 360 that I will set up in the wall. Let me know if interested, at this point I am just gauging interest in the tank, I'll be happy to keep it if no takers, but will be happy to pass it on if someone is looking for a great tank, so that I can move to the next size up.

West Hills learning Center in Multnomah Village. Not the cheapest but wonderful for kids, it's more than just a day care.

Rose City Aquarium generously gave 6 x20 Gal tanks . I gave 2 to Jay and 2 to Bob and Brandy for the South. I still have 2 in my garage waiting to be handed over. WE can get started on this as soon as we have a good working plan, including Target (teh teacher/classroom), budget, supplies and Mentors (who will help guide the teacher). A discussion with the board will take place at the next board meeting. We are heading the right way!

Not sure trading an LTA for a BTA will solve your problem. Obviously it has not found its perfect spot yet, the BTA might just do the same. How long has it been in the tank for?

Michael For President I like it! (rock2) Agree with others, too bad you are leaving. You have done a great job! Big shoes to fill!