Nyles

this is a typical ebay shuffle. I was in the market for a sportbike and they where running $11,000, I could get one from a guy on ebay for $3,000. These guys are 99% of the time a scam, most are ebay accounts that have been hijacked and the scammer posts the reduculous add and the old users feedback backs up the sale, then they take your money and run. If its a good deal and an honest deal a local guy would have contacted him and purchased it, honestly if the price is right anyone local would have bought it. Its really to good to be true, if its a shuffle or there is a secret story behind the unit that hes not telling you. In short if you cant go pick it up and pay cash and him have title free and clear, forget about it. He could have sold it locally 10 times over in one day, hes fishing for a sucker. By the way the bike I seen on ebay, about 2 weeks later the account was suspended, thankfully nobody purchased the hook.

I think Cichlids carries some stuff, should pm him, I know hes busy right now with family stuff but Im sure he will get back to you.

oh duh, I found your secret calendar of events.... DOH

If so theres is no way I'm going to make it.... Let me know please..... Is there a place this is posted or is it ALWAYS 3rd sunday?

I would find out what your "Full tune up" Is from each guy. If it includes a valve check and adjustment and any other services. If its just a timing chain belts, pulleys and water pump I cannot Imagine it running that much, your talking $300 in parts max., some people remove heads to get to plugs but most the time if you have the right tool you can get at them, just takes the right specialty tool (most the time). Also if they are trying to get you to do a valve adjustment I wouldn't do it, that motor sounds and runs fine. most late models cars don't need them checked till over 100,000 miles and 90% of poeple never check them. Good luck

OK what you want for a frag of that?

If you go please please stop by, I wanna tag along.

For now I am going to keep doing what I am doing, keep the Ph04 at "0" and wait it out. Things are looking up its just a slow process. I did the big water change and siphoned a lot of the hair out. I will wait a week and see what happens, I also bumped the skimmer to a much wetter skim than before. Chief you ordering Phosban? If so call me first....

The stuff we do... its amazing the earth is still round... j/k

sounds a little like vodka dripping eh? changing from a algae driven system to a bacteria driven.

http://www.thereeftank.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66551&highlight=cooking

tank is 155 gallon with a 50 gallon water capacity sump totalling about 180 gallons of physical water volume.

Completly agree with the last statement, and I am considering them but not for a solution to this problem but for a healthy environment in the future. I feed cyclopeez once weekly to sps Reef Chili once weekly to lps and sps every other day I feed a shrimp of some sort (half cube) or Emerald Entray (aprox half cube) Kelp twice weekly Foods are rinsed in RO/DI prior to being dropped in tank and I only feed sparingly. Fish are looking healthy and corals are doing superb. I am going to be adding a full calcium reactor system (Knop C) this month So big water change today (80 gallons or so) and wheening the fish off food and see what happens. Also my water changes are 50 gallons monthly I am going to change it to 25 gallons bi-weekly program to help introduce trace elements on a more steady basis. Livestock excluding lps-sps are: 1 yellow tail damsel I cant catch Yellow tang Royal blue tang 6-line wrasse True Perc Pearly Jawfish Lawnmower Blennie 2 sea cucumbers 3 sifting stars 8-10 fancy serpent stars 1 Blue Linkia 1 brittle star 110 blue leg hermits 40 skarlets 10 red Clams of all kind 2 cleaner shrimp 2 peppermints 2 sexy shrimp 2 emerald crabs 2 sea hares God only knows what else. but I probably forgot something

So since my rocks are old and have phosphate leeching from them its now a faulty skimmer even though my water is clean? As I stated the skimmer is oversized quite a bit. I beleive the water is being cleaned fine as to why my no4 readings are always 0 however as the ph04 is leeched from the rock the hair algae is on the rock at a convenient place to intercept prior to my filtration, thus why I have clean readings and still have HA. The skimmer is way overkill for my application and as I have identified the problem I am looking for a solution, not the cause of the problem from something else. I have already troubleshoot all other things, including the replace main tank sand, replace refugium sand, new big skimmer, new pumps, feeding regime and food quality test, water input quality and light. Let me re-interate I just want to know if there is a solution to removing the phosphate from the rock without cooking it. Sounds like your product is the only other solution, but to me its more of a band aide similar to the phosban is right now. In short I will do a mass water change and cut feeding from 3 times a week to once a week and see what happens. If this don't do it, the old crappy rock is comin out and I will just bite the bullet for new rock, cook this rock and throw it in my office tank. I know this will fix it I just wish there was and easier / less aggressive way to go about it. No harm intended to your post, I know your just trying to help, my fustrations are just going overboard as I read I realize there will probably be no shortcutting the problem. As when these rocks where in someone else tank they had the same problem... (wife) Live and learn I guess.

But aren't I just becoming dependant on a product to muffle an existing problem? I would have to keep using this product till the pho4 is all absorbed out of the rock right? If it ever does.... or boom I get a wonderful green lawn again, right? Wouldn't it be more cost effective to just get to the root of the problem? I'm not arguing, love your advice, just trying to look at it from all angles. I also don't want to cover the problem with a temp solution making me dependable on another product because I was to lazy to do it right. I'm the kind of person that just wants to do it right the first time.

As posted I am going to do a massive water change tonight even though water perameters are all good. I'm sure my inverts will just love it.. :(

All done already, the skimmer is bigger than needed by over 100 gallons and works superb (ASM g-3), testing water backs this up. 6-stage ro/di - tested clean, retested many times Dunked rock and cleaned 2 times now (once when I started system and again about 3 weeks ago) I am using a prefilter bag to catch hair as it drops in sump then water hits skimmer for final cleaning, on to refugium then to the return sump area. Update: So tested for phosphates last night my reading is still "0" PHo4. but It appears hair algae is still growing... However my corals are still growing, other than the lawn that has to be mowed weekly everything is fine. LOL.

So the big question is, how does a program like this "remove" PH04 out of my rock? I think Im still going to have to cook it to get Phosphates out, limiting my intake of nutrients is great but I don't think its the source of my problem, I feed pretty sparingly already and my nitrates are extremely low (undetectable).Im going to pull part of the rockout let it cook for a week and test if for PH04. If its high I think I will need to rip it all out. So for the big question do I just chisel the crap out of my rocks to get all the living life off them?

I will ask around... thanks. Any others out there ever experience this?

Of all the bad and good thoughts I will just say. good luck.... I hope it works. Really. Bacteria..... (daz) battle

I have read your posts on this, however I though it was for SPS growth and health relation. I am ok with ripping out LR and getting new at this point, just need to know if there is any other alternatives other than cooking.?? If I decided to go with the Prodobio that can take 3 weeks to 11 months what is the cost?

(wife) (censored) DOH! (flame) about to rip it all out and "cook" all the LR.... anyone? BTW all the SPS are fine and growing good.

I dont even know... is there something Im forgeting? I have tried more water changes... more testing... its all in vein... Any help would be .. well... helpful. the previous owner had the same problem before I bought it, same LR and tank, I put in new sand all around, new pumps, new system. other than LR.