Well, I done goofed I had a pretty big nitrate spike awhile back, so I put in a golfball sized chaeto and things have been great since. My nitrates and phos floated down to the levels im used to 16ppm nitrate and .04 phos. Well I COMPLETELY neglected to trim the cheato and it grew to fill the entire acclimation box and then I noticed that it died back significantly over night I pulled it out and checked my nutrients and they were double 0 and low and behold I have suspected dinos now! Hurray! Just thought id share my flop! Never thought it would be so easy to bottom out nutrients without a skimmer.