dstoneburg Posted December 1, 2007 Share Posted December 1, 2007 UV kills free floating objects if the flow is low enough and the wattage high enough and the bulb is changed every 4-6 months. It also is not a cure. Also note that it will kill beneficial things in the water column as well. I have no comments about ozone as ive never researched of used it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reefboy Posted December 1, 2007 Share Posted December 1, 2007 UV kills free floating objects if the flow is low enough and the wattage high enough and the bulb is changed every 4-6 months. It also is not a cure. Also note that it will kill beneficial things in the water column as well. I have no comments about ozone as ive never researched of used it. I agree it works but i think kills more good then bad and if my termanology is correct ozone carbonizes things so works alot like uv but no bulbs to replace i do use in conjuction with my skimmer so more or less anything that goes through skimmer is killed it also makes skimmer work better but it also is not a cure just keeps levels down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reefgeek84 Posted December 1, 2007 Share Posted December 1, 2007 I disagree with the UV thing, there is nothing to show that it kills more beneficial stuff, I ran one and my tank was very successful with...ozone is even more effective at killing things and lots of people run it on there tank, Travis at Upscales runs it, I know Joel runs it on his home tank...we have all seen Travis' tank and Joel knows what he is doing, so this whole "it kills a whole bunch of beneficial stuff", I think is an incorrect statement, but I guess I just go by what a tank looks like and not what people seem to think about equipment and what it may or may not do to a system ... As for the comment that it is not a cure...correct, but really there are no cures (and this thread is showing that) and you beating this whole dead horse on finding a cure...There is really not one and pretty much ich is always present it depends on if the fish is sick enough to contract it. Just like a cold, if you are unhealthy and your immune system does not work well you will get a cold easier then someone else, does this mean that taking vitamin C is not a good idea cause it is not a cure cause it only boosts your immune system, no but it is a preventive thing that helps your body fight it off. People with AIDS usually die of a common cold or the flu, because the immune system can not fight it. Same thing here, if you keep your fish healthy (i.e. feeding good foods with vitamins) they have alot less chance of getting ich. If you find a true cure, patent cause you will make alot of money... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dstoneburg Posted December 1, 2007 Share Posted December 1, 2007 I disagree with the UV thing' date=' there is nothing to show that it kills more beneficial stuff, I ran one and my tank was very successful with[/b']...ozone is even more effective at killing things and lots of people run it on there tank, Travis at Upscales runs it, I know Joel runs it on his home tank...we have all seen Travis' tank and Joel knows what he is doing, so this whole "it kills a whole bunch of beneficial stuff", I think is an incorrect statement, but I guess I just go by what a tank looks like and not what people seem to think about equipment and what it may or may not do to a system ... As for the comment that it is not a cure...correct, but really there are no cures (and this thread is showing that) and you beating this whole dead horse on finding a cure...There is really not one and pretty much ich is always present it depends on if the fish is sick enough to contract it. Just like a cold, if you are unhealthy and your immune system does not work well you will get a cold easier then someone else, does this mean that taking vitamin C is not a good idea cause it is not a cure cause it only boosts your immune system, no but it is a preventive thing that helps your body fight it off. People with AIDS usually die of a common cold or the flu, because the immune system can not fight it. Same thing here, if you keep your fish healthy (i.e. feeding good foods with vitamins) they have alot less chance of getting ich. If you find a true cure, patent cause you will make alot of money... Ok here we go.. First things first. Lets say the 'good guys(whatever you want to imply they are, inverts, hitchhikers, filter feeders whatever) outnumber the 'bad guys' in the water column 2:1. I think we can all agree its prolly more. In that case, when you run water through a UV you are essentially trying to kill the free floaters. Since good outnumbers bad 2:1 you are killing twice as much good as bad. And thats just using logic, in reality theres nothing that it shows it kills anything. If there are any questions about UV and what not, there are many educated people on RC that will provide the science to backup what I am saying. Also I think the fact that I just sold a UV speaks wonders on how affective its been seen to be. Atleast for me that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reefgeek84 Posted December 1, 2007 Share Posted December 1, 2007 Ok here we go.. First things first. Lets say the 'good guys(whatever you want to imply they are, inverts, hitchhikers, filter feeders whatever) outnumber the 'bad guys' in the water column 2:1. I think we can all agree its prolly more. In that case, when you run water through a UV you are essentially trying to kill the free floaters. Since good outnumbers bad 2:1 you are killing twice as much good as bad. And thats just using logic, in reality theres nothing that it shows it kills anything. If there are any questions about UV and what not, there are many educated people on RC that will provide the science to backup what I am saying. Wow, super informative... I do not care what they say for the most part, this subject is just like any other subject in this hobby, everyone thinks there way is correct...Same with Bare bottom vs. DSB, Halide vs. T-5...I can find you educated people to argue each of those points with lots of science, so you find all the educated people you want to back up your theory and I can do the same if I wish, but again I have seen what works and that is what matters to me. Does it kill some good stuff yeah it does, does it effect the tank, I do not think so. Maybe we should not use skimmers, cause it take out the good nutrients that help color up corals (thus peoples corals being washed out)...all you have done this post is beat a dead horse and in a way put people down, because they have not met your standards of getting rid of ich, but like I stated, there is really no cure right now and what people have offered as suggestions to help, all you have done is ridiculed them and said it is not a cure, but a band aide...so you come up with cure and let us know! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reefgeek84 Posted December 1, 2007 Share Posted December 1, 2007 Also I think the fact that I just sold a UV speaks wonders on how affective its been seen to be. Atleast for me that is. Sorry you are not the end all and be all of what works in this hobby, what has worked for you will not work for other people... I would expect you to know that there are many ways to skin cat in this hobby...but I guess since you sold a UV, that other people should as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dstoneburg Posted December 1, 2007 Share Posted December 1, 2007 Oh goodness, now it went from three pages of people throwing suggestions and others debating them to you attacking a persons charactor. I find replying to you very easy as you just throw out uneducated random information. First, there is a cure for ick, OH WAIT, theres TWO! Copper and hyposalinity are both PROVEN cures to ick. Heres the science as I like to backup what I say with something substantial. "By lowering the salinity, you will also be lowering the osmotic pressure of the water. The parasites NEED high osmotic pressure to convert saline water into freshwater. All marine animals need freshwater as we do [these parasites are considered marine animals as well, BTW]. They just convert it differently, usually via their tissues. Reduce this necessary pressure and the ich will die. As a higher life form, the fish will do fine with this short-term treatment." <--- kills all ich. No matter what stage of life they are in nor where they are at. ie, substraite/fish/LR. Anyways, good luck to the OP. Most if not all of what ive posted you can simply research yourself and find substantial and in-dept information, as its science and not opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reefgeek84 Posted December 1, 2007 Share Posted December 1, 2007 Oh goodness, now it went from three pages of people throwing suggestions and others debating them to you attacking a persons charactor. I find replying to you very easy as you just throw out uneducated random information. First, there is a cure for ick, OH WAIT, theres TWO! Copper and hyposalinity are both PROVEN cures to ick. Heres the science as I like to backup what I say with something substantial. "By lowering the salinity, you will also be lowering the osmotic pressure of the water. The parasites NEED high osmotic pressure to convert saline water into freshwater. All marine animals need freshwater as we do [these parasites are considered marine animals as well, BTW]. They just convert it differently, usually via their tissues. Reduce this necessary pressure and the ich will die. As a higher life form, the fish will do fine with this short-term treatment." <--- kills all ich. No matter what stage of life they are in nor where they are at. ie, substraite/fish/LR. Anyways, good luck to the OP. Most if not all of what ive posted you can simply research yourself and find substantial and in-dept information, as its science and not opinion. Not sure if you read the post, but it says a reef safe solution...I am not dumping copper in my reef tank and not dropping the salinity in my reef tank...so I made a mistake in my statement, there is no reef safe cure all for ich, considering the two you mentioned will not do well in a reef tank...so I guess that is uneducated DOH! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dstoneburg Posted December 1, 2007 Share Posted December 1, 2007 Alright buddy. I think the OP got what information he wanted and hopefully he will continue his reasearch to find what really works and why it works. And you can continue to start arguements and continue your personal attacks on someone else. Also, I would like to point out I do not believe I have 'ridiculed' anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reefgeek84 Posted December 1, 2007 Share Posted December 1, 2007 Alright buddy. I think the OP got what information he wanted and hopefully he will continue his reasearch to find what really works and why it works. And you can continue to start arguements and continue your personal attacks on someone else. Not attacking,not letting you shut down valid ideas of what works and when you are called on some of your stuff you try and play the high road game...but I will make sure and tell everyone that because a UV did not work for you, that they should not buy one or get rid of their...and that copper and hypo is a great way to get rid of ich, they can just kill their reef in order to do so, instead of getting a cleaner shrimp, feeding vitamin rich foods, and running some sort uv or ozone to keep it bay. (laugh) This has gone a bit into OT...so I will digress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dstoneburg Posted December 1, 2007 Share Posted December 1, 2007 What did you 'call me on'? All I stated was after proper research AND testing I concluded UV was not worth it to me. Never said it didnt work, infact I think I made a strong statement FOR it working. I just mentioned it kills good as well as bad. You seem good at twisting things around. And 'spewing' copy and pasted facts.. Isnt that why we read and research? Site your sources? If you can find a place where i either.. 1. 'ridiculed' someone 2. provided false information I would be happy to accept your verbal, lashings. But until then you can use them on someoen else, thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Moderator Posted December 1, 2007 Share Posted December 1, 2007 Let's keep ourselves in check, please. We all have different opinions and we need to respect that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaywood Posted December 3, 2007 Author Share Posted December 3, 2007 Well, my newly added Powder Blue Tang died. I treated the tank with Kick-Ich for a week. The ich never appeared to get too bad, but also never disappeared. He didn't even look that bad and eat until his last day. No other fish have any signs of ich. Guess I can't really say whether Kick-Ich helped or not. Never had much luck with Blue Tangs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePremiumAquarium Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 Me neither!!! I have tried to keep them twice now with no long term luck. Every other tang that I have had has done extremely well and has never had an ich outbreak. These blue guys are just goofie. Powder blue, brown, or regal, all goofie fishes that just seem to do much better away from captivity or away from other tangs that may cause them stress. I see them doing quite well in fish only tanks with low salinity or copper, but for the great majority of us, I just don't think they do well in a reef tank. Its too bad, cause they sure are cool fish. Garrett Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsoz Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 My wife keeps wanting me to get a blue tang (a "Dory" to go with "nemo") but I keep telling her that all I hear is horror stories from others about how they don't do well in tanks. dsoz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jptrson Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 My wife keeps wanting me to get a blue tang (a "Dory" to go with "nemo") but I keep telling her that all I hear is horror stories from others about how they don't do well in tanks. dsoz I've had my blue "Dory" for 4 years now, a few slight outbreaks but always seems to clear up on it's own. When I went from a 90 to 210 I had to keep it in a 50 for a few weeks and it broke out bad, I used Kent Rxp and it seemed to help but once i put it in the 210 it cleared up completely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reefgeek84 Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 I have a baby blue tang and have had no issues with him, or any of my other fish for that matter, I have a cleaner shrimp and I really think that helps... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stigits Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 I have also had a blue tang for 2 years and it is doing very well. I think a cleaner shrimp is a must and if you tank is big enough get two. Remember people usually only post when they have a horror story to tell. I imagine there are far more success stories out there that are not discussed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted December 10, 2007 Share Posted December 10, 2007 If you want to avoid ich in a reef tank you have to start from day one. It requires an amount of effort that most are not willing to put out. First any invertebrate you put in the tank has to be kept in a fish free environment for a period of 30 days or more. The second thing you have to do is to quarantine all of the fish that go in the tank and it is best to use either hyposalinity, copper or both for at least 2 weeks if you are medicating the tank and no signs of ich pop up in that time. If you do this you will never get ich in your tank and therefore not have to worry. Once ich is present in the aquarium there is one way to kill it in a reef tank and that is to remove all the fish and keep it fish free for a month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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