albertareef Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 Yep. I enjoy killing these guys. My wrasse sure loves em too. Miles, what kind of wrasse do you have? Hopefully it's a moot point for me but it would be good to be prepared... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impur Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 Its a yellow coris wrasse. Didn't really hunt when i first got it, but now its hunting all day. Not a solution, but i can see it helps keep the populations down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CA2OR Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 that sounds like a decent solution. shoot I might get one too. Thanks Miles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downhill_biker Posted March 24, 2009 Author Share Posted March 24, 2009 that sounds like a decent solution. shoot I might get one too. Thanks Miles. its not a solution. they just help. just like having a cleaner shrimp isn't going to get rid of ich. they keep populations down, but they dont "fix" the problem. if you want a good pest eater, the sixline wrasse is known for eating pests. it is the original tride-and-true pest eater. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tidalsculpin Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 So sorry to hear this. So Miles, 8 weeks of qt? Might as well set up a new sps nanoreef. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CA2OR Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 so he should get a six line? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downhill_biker Posted March 24, 2009 Author Share Posted March 24, 2009 so he should get a six line? no if he already has a fish that is playing the role of pest control. what i said was, it is not a solution, but rather a helpful piece in reducing pet population numbers. i was saying for you; if you are looking for a pest control fish, a sixline is a surefire bet. just dont think that it is going to be a solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CA2OR Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 oh...duh. Sorry misunderstood. I already ordered my six line so thanks for the verification on a good order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impur Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 So sorry to hear this. So Miles' date=' 8 weeks of qt? Might as well set up a new sps nanoreef.[/quote'] Yah no doubt! I have a couple sheets of acrylic, might be a fun DIY! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downhill_biker Posted March 24, 2009 Author Share Posted March 24, 2009 so how do i know the amount to dose my tank? i am going to do the interceptor, but i am having a hard time finding a quantity doseage. eric borneman says the concentration can vary, but gives no starting point. i need a relative med/gal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonH Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 Eesh - this is my memory from about 3 years ago, so keep that in mind. I will do a quick search to see if I can find instructions, but I believe that one pill (of the large dog size) will treat 300-350 gallons (was something odd, like 340). So grind up a pill - e.g. between two spoons - and then proportion accordingly. Remember, if you have any ornamental crabs/shrimp, they will be killed, too - so get them out for the duration if you can. Mix the pill dust up in a small amount of water to get it desolved, them pour into the tank. Good luck - and remember to repeat weekly for two more dosages. Good luck. I believe recommendation is to leave for at least 6 hours before running carbon, but I would wait longer, since Interceptor doesn't harm anything except red bugs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonH Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 Ah, here we go: The dosage used in an aquarium to kill red bugs is 25 mg per 10 gallons of actual tank water. That is 25 mg of the entire tablet. Each tablet in the pack of 6 will treat about 380 gallons. The tablets are ground with a mortar and pestle into a fine powder. The entire volume of water in the system must be considered as the pill will dissolve into the whole system, not just main aquarium. Thus, it is necessary to take into account things like the sump, a refugium, the water in a skimmer, calcium reactor, canister filter, or any large pieces of plumbing. Also, before adding the medication to your tank, turn off your skimmer and any UV sterilizers and ozone generators. Then, remove any mechanical filtration and carbon if present. Remove any shrimp or crabs that you want to save. They will have to stay out of the system for the duration of the treatment. However, be warned that if you add them back to your tank, there is a slight chance that you will re-introduce the red bugs to your tank. The next step is to dissolve the medication into some aquarium water, a process that will likely require stirring, as the powder is not very water soluble. Then, spread the mixed water evenly across the surface of the water. Your tank should remain perfectly clear and look normal the entire time. The bugs hang on well into the 4th and 5th hour of the treatment as their appendages will still be hanging onto the flesh. Many of the bugs may even hang on for days even after they are dead. If anything goes wrong during treatment perform a water change ASAP and add a large amount of carbon to your system. After 6 hours, a 25% minimum water change is performed and as much activated carbon as you can fit should be added to the tank. In the initial tests, crustaceans that were reintroduced to a tank after a 25% water change and carbon were unaffected by the medication. 24 hours later the water should be changed again and the carbon replaced. There is no maximum for the water changes or carbon, the more you do the better. The treatment needs to be performed a minimum of 3 times as the medication does not kill them at every stage of their life. Thus, even though most adults may be killed in the first treatment, there may be some juveniles and eggs that remain which were not affected by the treatment. The third treatment is a “just in case” treatment, its goal is to get any bugs that could have possibly survived the first two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downhill_biker Posted March 24, 2009 Author Share Posted March 24, 2009 thanks jason. that is exactly what i needed to know. borneman agrees with you, he suggests doing 12 hours, since it doesn't hurt anything to go longer. i am worried that my acro crabs wont fair well out of their colonies, but they dont have much of a choice if i dont move them they die for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael7979 Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 Make sure you turn off your skimmer during treatment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonH Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 You're welcome - glad it was helpful. Oh, that sucks. Your acro crabs won't survive the treatment. You could try to get them out of the coral, but that's so hard that you'll likely damage the coral and possibly kill the crab anyway. That really sucks, I can't wait to get some acro crabs. It would break my heart to have to kill them medicating the tank. (sad) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downhill_biker Posted March 26, 2009 Author Share Posted March 26, 2009 I got most of the crabs and shrimp out of the tank. I am still having trouble with a couple of shrimp that are playing hard to get. I finally found the interceptor and it should get here in a couple days. Should be bug free soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impur Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 Good to hear, did what we talked about work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coralreefaquarist Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 i have them too(clap) when do i get my red bug club bumper sticker(scratch). ill be doing interceptor as well(whistle) the only critters i really care about are my acro crabs(scratch) how the hell am i getting them out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impur Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 Interesting. I have AEFW and you both have redbugs. I always seem to get some pest this time of year every year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyles Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 DH, I hate to tell you but I lost all 8 or 9 of my acro crabs when I dosed. Given I was not shy about the amount as I wanted those suckers (RB's) out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonH Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 Yikes - AEFW, Red bugs. I've talked to some folks semi-recently that had (those whose name is too terrible to mention). The nasties seem to be going around these days. (scary) I'm going to go home and stare at my tank through a magnifying glass for a few hours tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertareef Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 Good luck Curtis, Shawn and Miles - hope you guys beat back the bugs with minimal losses. And Jason, don't even mention monti-eating nudis! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonH Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 There, fixed. And yes, good luck, gents. Sorry about the lost acro crabs. DOH! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impur Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 Thanks! I will beat them with no losses. Done it twice before (laugh) Its not that big of a deal anymore. Monti eating nudis is another animal. I lost all my montis to them, i really never want to get those again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertareef Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 Yikes - AEFW, Red bugs. I've talked to some folks semi-recently that had (those whose name is too terrible to mention). OK... that is pretty funny (laugh)(laugh) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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