puntific Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 Is this guy a good guy or a bad guy? If bad, and they're in my tank, how should I fight them? Thanks, puntific Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReefMe Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 Looks Like Looks like a branch, I have had a nomber of different ones, I have not seen them being detrimental but I think some knids can be. I have one now that is totally black that opens it's 'back' and filters grains of sand through it and cleans my rocks- very cool! I will get a pic up the next time he makes an appearance. This is a great site to identify them, the identification process can take a bit but worth it(clap) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nwcoralfarm Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 hard to tell from the pics. Nudibranchs have frilly body's, here are a couple of pics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puntific Posted December 2, 2009 Author Share Posted December 2, 2009 It's very much like those in the pictures, yet the color is a bit different. He looks like he could hide well in Zoas, especially Fire and Ice... hmmm... very much like the rings... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReefMe Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 Size My black branch is close to 2" long. Have not identified yet but goes by the name "black"(clap) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byrd Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 It's very much like those in the pictures' date=' yet the color is a bit different. He looks like he could hide well in Zoas, especially Fire and Ice... hmmm... very much like the rings...[/quote'] Looks like a zoo eating nudi and yes the rotten SOB's are just that-rotten. I am sure I have some still although I have not seen any in a week-I sucked one out of the tank a week ago. If you notice your zoos are not open like they used to, my bet is that they are present, and if you have one you have more. In my research there is nothing to get rid of them. I have a 24" eye dropper I "suck" them up with and squirt them into the back yard so they can die slowly (I wish) like they have done to my zoos. In the past I would take a flash light when my lights are out and you can see them better as the zoos are usually closed. They will adapt to the color (or transform) of the zoo, that is from eating the zoo- I have never been able to find eggs but tI am sure they were around. Do a google search for zoo eating nudibrachs. Get your self a long turkey baster and the flashlight and go HUNTING. Use the turkey baster to make the zoos close, its much easier finding them. Good luck, oh and in the future, as I do NOW, dip everything new that goes into your tank, it hitch hiked its way in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byrd Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 My black branch is close to 2" long. Have not identified yet but goes by the name "black"(clap) What he has are about 1/8 inch, yours is not the zoo eating nudi-and be glad for that!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nwcoralfarm Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 If you decide to look for eggs (which is the only way to get rid of them) they will generally be on the side of the polyps and look like little white swirly's about a 1/6 of inch around. You will have to scrape them off with something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsoz Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 There is some research about potassium permanganate used for killing nudibranchs. http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2007-09/eb/index.php 0.050 grams per liter of water. I have some potassium permanganate in pre-measured vials. All you need to do is dump it into 1 liter of tank water and shake to mix. Once dissolved it makes a purple solution that is lethal to nudibranchs. If you want some of this potassium permanganate, just send me a PM. I have about 10 lbs of it at home. This is enough for about 1,000,000,000,000 treatments. I have had success with it killing monti-eating nudibranchs, and only lost a couple of pieces. When I had zoa eating nudis, I dipped the zoas, and had no coral losses. dsoz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CA2OR Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 I am thinking bad. My philosophy is this....when it comes to nudi's....if I didn't buy it....it's bad and it has to go. But then again...that's why I got my Melanurus wrasse....he loves em....I should say "loved" as I don't have any and haven't had any since the we started the second week with the wrasse in our tank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impur Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 I am thinking bad. My philosophy is this....when it comes to nudi's....if I didn't buy it....it's bad and it has to go. But then again...that's why I got my Melanurus wrasse....he loves em....I should say "loved" as I don't have any and haven't had any since the we started the second week with the wrasse in our tank. Hard to argue with that, i'm with ya!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puntific Posted December 3, 2009 Author Share Posted December 3, 2009 coral dips and basters? Would a coral dip kill the eggs? I can pull out my zoas and do that! And I'm willing to go hunting too. puntific If you decide to look for eggs (which is the only way to get rid of them) they will generally be on the side of the polyps and look like little white swirly's about a 1/6 of inch around. You will have to scrape them off with something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puntific Posted December 3, 2009 Author Share Posted December 3, 2009 I am thinking bad. My philosophy is this....when it comes to nudi's....if I didn't buy it....it's bad and it has to go. But then again...that's why I got my Melanurus wrasse....he loves em....I should say "loved" as I don't have any and haven't had any since the we started the second week with the wrasse in our tank. You think I could keep the Melanurus wrasse with a Leopard Wrasse? puntific Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puntific Posted December 3, 2009 Author Share Posted December 3, 2009 Well, I took out a couple of corals and had a peak. I found about 6 more of the little buggers. Looking forward to the thoughts on the my two follow up questions! Consider this the Death Panal for Nudibranchs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CA2OR Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 You think I could keep the Melanurus wrasse with a Leopard Wrasse? puntific I am thinking you would be fine. Maybe get the Mel a bit bigger than the leapard. That way it will make your leapard think twice about messing with him and give the mel a chance to settle in. I am about to add a second wrasse to my system just for the heck of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CA2OR Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 I know Kilmca has a Mel and a six line....but he also has 400 gallons to work with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevman Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 I wish I had a Camera that could take better Pics, But I have slug looking dude that is beige and has like grey spots or swirls on it. He pops up every now and again. and doesnt seem to bother anyone. I see him on my glass in the morning, and he bails when the lights come on very quickly..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byrd Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 If it is the same size as the nudi's , and you did not add the "slug" eradicate-(flame) Better safe than sorry- I know that is not a popular response "kill it" but it is survival of the fittest in my tank, and I'm "king fish"-(laugh) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsoz Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 I wish I had a Camera that could take better Pics' date=' But I have slug looking dude that is beige and has like grey spots or swirls on it. He pops up every now and again. and doesnt seem to bother anyone. I see him on my glass in the morning, and he bails when the lights come on very quickly.....[/quote'] That sounds like a stomatella. They are good. dsoz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theJenchild Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 Looks like the zoa eating nudis that I had!! Oh no!! Fresh water dips worked for me. I dipped in fresh water for at least 5-10 minutes, swished the zoas around and used tweezers to pick off any nudis or eggs that I saw. Be sure to do ALL of your zoas! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CCR Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 Do a fresh water dip. ro/di preferably. Have the temp the same as tank. Buffer to same tank PH. Put a couple of zoo's in the water for a few minute . then swish each clump. You will see them at the bottom. Inspect for eggs. If you have some Lugols put couple of drops in the water. I do suggest using gloves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CCR Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 That sounds like a stomatella. They are good. dsoz My thought too. I have them but if he is worried he can do the FW DIP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puntific Posted December 4, 2009 Author Share Posted December 4, 2009 So... has anyone read this expeiment? http://www.practicalcoralfarming.com/zoonudis.html It looks like this might be the solution we are looking for. What do you think of adding Salifert’s Flatworm Exit (FWE) to your tank in the manner discribed? Would you go for the dipping method first or go whole hog? puntific Here's another recomendation for this procedure: http://www.bluezooaquatics.com/resources.asp?show=15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsoz Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 WOW! that is some testimonial. I wonder if it works for monti-eating nudibranchs also. I would start with a bucket dip. Then also treat the tank at a lower dose. Maybe see what a double dose would do in the bucket. If nothing comes of the double dose, then up it to the 4x dose mentioned in the first article. Be sure to report your findings. I sure hope that it is just this simple. It would be ironic with all the problems these guys cause and the cure is a simple flatworm exit treatment... dsoz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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