Michael7979 Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 Saw this elsewhere and thought it kinda funny................ Clunker Math Think of it this way - A clunker that travels 12,000 miles a year at 15 mpg uses 800 gallons of gas a year. A vehicle that travels 12,000 miles a year at 25 mpg uses 480 gallons a year. So, the average Cash for Clunkers transaction will reduce US gasoline consumption by 320 gallons per year. They claim 700,000 vehicles so that's 224 million gallons saved per year. That equates to a bit over 5 million barrels of oil. 5 million barrels is about 5 hours worth of US consumption. More importantly, 5 million barrels of oil at $70 per barrel costs about $350 million dollars So, the government paid $3 billion of our tax dollars to save $350 million. We spent $8.57 for every dollar saved. I'm pretty sure they will do a great job with health care though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impur Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 Not to mention all the jobs that program killed. The company I work for finances those clunkers for people with horrible credit. So the program took like 1/4 or more of the available number of cars for these people. Now the same cars go for twice the price at auction because there are so many less of them. People with bad credit, 1st time buyers, people on limited incomes, they can't afford a $3000 down payment just to bring the finance amount on that 1999 Ford Explorer down to an amount the banks will finance. Expect to pay at least 2000-3000 more for one of these lesser MPG cars now, in the middle of a recession, with a double digit unemployment rate. Medium risk and high risk finance companies are closing now due to the economy and increase in competition for the remaining vehicles. On top of that, dealerships are closing left and right because of it. Auto shops are closing because the drop in business as a result also. The banks that are financing the people that traded in their clunkers are already repoing those new cars with great MPG and losing money, because those people couldn't afford to do it in the first place and/or worked at a dealership, auto shop, finance company that had to close. Gas stations selling less gas, parts makers and pick & pull type places, all of these are effected. Buy yeah, the health care plan will be well thought out...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newfisher Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 I think they were trying to use the " budgeted money" to reduce emissions from the older vehicles too. Throw in steel recycling, leaking oils, coolant, r12 issues etc. and we might be back to $8.10 spent for every dollar saved!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyles Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 Don't even try and make sense of it, they don't even know what they are doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Algae Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Gotta say that cars are an option. People can take public transportation, bike,walk, etc. Health care isn't. If you need chemotherapy, you need chemotherapy. The health care insurers haven't done a bang up job except possibly for thier CEO's. They keep saying "Why try something new"? Why indeed, when it is working so well! And it is not exactly new. There is a woman that was denied coverage after being beaten senseless by her spouse. Because she was married to him before she had insurance, the insurance company deemed it a "prior condition". I do agree that that the government should not bail out private industry. But at least they the automakers were producing something of value. The bank bail-out was assisting wealthy shareholders who were not producing anything of value. They were just engaged in unregulated high stakes gambling and now WE are all paying the price. Buy yeah, the health care plan will be well thought out...... I'm pretty sure they will do a great job with health care though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byrd Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 I would really love to hear about ONE single thing that the government runs well-without subsidizing-just one, not asking alot just one thing. It used to be the military before we become concerned about how the rest of the world would view-boy dont shoot back if there may be civilians. Here is a gun but dont use it or we while put you on trial. I'm glad we did not have the leaders back in WWII that our crountry has had over the past decade or so. We all would be speaking a different language, and I most likely would be dead from expressing myself. Bumpy road, and sadly collateral damage does and needs to happen- I say needs because that means we actually did what needs to be done. Back to my time out corner-banned:eek: ARRGGG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reef165 Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 How much gas do ya get out of a 55 gallon barrel of oil? 4-5 tops? are ya sure ya did the math right? And its not just about $ its also about the environment and reducing emisions! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgf86123 Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 its not a question of math, its a question of just how much power do we want our government to have, especially with the health care bill, they are actually trying to force the government to ban abortion just so the health care bill will pass, and if thats the attitude of the people we supposedly elected to power, i want nothing to do with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelhead77 Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 I would really love to hear about ONE single thing that the government runs well-without subsidizing-just one, not asking alot just one thing. 1) The Interstate Highway system 2) The National Park System 3) The VA (used to be really bad, but much improved) 4) The IRS is pretty efficient. (whistle) 5) The Postal Service (For about 45 cents you can get a letter mailed to anywhere in the country in about 3-4 days) Those are just off the top of my head, I'm sure there's many more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgf86123 Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 the irs? you really think the IRS is well run? and as for the postal service, they're not a government entity, they're subsidized, and going broke. the national park system, great idea, but run worse than a crackhead would run a car dealership the interstate highway system is one of the biggest jokes in the country the va??? its the biggest crock of bull in the world, without a doubt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelhead77 Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 .....especially with the health care bill' date=' they are actually trying to force the government to ban abortion just so the health care bill will pass, and if thats the attitude of the people we supposedly elected to power, i want nothing to do with them.[/quote'] Uhhh...The "they" is the party that was responsible for the previous administration that is wanting to do that. AFAIK, the current administration is not trying to ban abortion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgf86123 Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 the current administration is an even bigger joke than the previous, bush was bad enough, but obama is a socialist elitist who's only goal is to become dictator of the north american hemisphere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelhead77 Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 the current administration is an even bigger joke than the previous' date=' bush was bad enough, but obama is a socialist elitist who's only goal is to become dictator of the north american hemisphere[/quote'] Uhhh....Methinks you need to turn off Glen Beck and get your info from somewhere else. No offense or nothin'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgf86123 Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 never listened to beck a day in my life, nor any of the others really, this is all from just strictly watching the way the country is going, we're becoming more and more socialistic every day im sorry, but the appointing of the so-called "tsars" should be a dead ringer for that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgf86123 Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 just to end my side of this discussion, as i will not be posting further in this thread, but will reply via pm if anyone feels like continuing said discussion. ok, while i am quite new here, i feel i must get in on this conversation. while my own views may be viewed as being a conspiracy theorist, or an anarchist, or what not, i really do not care, i believe what i believe, an thats one thing that will never change. my view on bush, while he was not a bad guy, and had great plans for this country, he was blocked at every turn by the elitists, including his own father, and was pressured, read forced, into acting the way they wanted him to act. while not the smartest man in the world, he has a good heart and genuinely wanted to do the best for this country, that things turned out differently is not entirely his fault, although he cannot be absolved of all blame. my view on personal rights, and personal beliefs. i am an athiest, according to some christians, and a satan worshipper to others, i do not foist my beliefs on anyone else, but, my gf and i both have the same beliefs, both of us were raised in a christian household, but, after much study and discussion, have decided tthat we can no longer believe in the bible. i feel, rightly or wrongly, that we all control our own destiny, and would be much better off with NO government control in our lives, period, end of story. my view on obama. if i was a christian, obama would be the anti-christ, he's totally controlled by the elitists, he is the one they wanted elected, because they knew that he could be easily controlled, much more easily controlled than bush. he also happens to make bush look like a genius of stephen hawkings caliber. and to top all of that off, he has turned his back on every promise he ever made during his election campaign. none of what he said he was going to do, even though his PARTY controls both the house and the senate, has come to fruition, hell, he's even sending MORE troops into iraq and afghanistan, contrary to his promise to pull all troops out by 2010. my view on the direction that this country is going is that within 2 years, we will have a complete and total breakdown of all forms of government in this country, and possibly even the world, people around the world are getting thouroughly fed up with their individual governments treating them slaves, which, whether you agree or not is what i feel is happening, especially in this country. and that is my thoughts on all of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelhead77 Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 never listened to beck a day in my life, nor any of the others really, this is all from just strictly watching the way the country is going, we're becoming more and more socialistic every day im sorry, but the appointing of the so-called "tsars" should be a dead ringer for that OMG!!! Bush jr. had 42 "Tsars" Reagan was the first to appoint one with Bill Bennett as the "drug czar". For never listening to Beck or the other wingnuts, you sure have the talking points down pretty well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgf86123 Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 ok, sorry, but, my personal opinion, but, reagan was probably one of the top 5 presidents this country has ever had, now, did i agree with everything he did, no, but, do i think he was a great pres, most definitely and im sorry, but, lincoln does NOT make my personal top 5 presidents they are, washington, andrew jackson, teddy roosevelt, jfk and reagan again, that is just my personal opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelhead77 Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 ok, sorry, but, my personal opinion, but, reagan was probably one of the top 5 presidents this country has ever had, now, did i agree with everything he did, no, but, do i think he was a great pres, most definitely and im sorry, but, lincoln does NOT make my personal top 5 presidents they are, washington, andrew jackson, teddy roosevelt, jfk and reagan again, that is just my personal opinion WOW!!! Peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewie Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Just keep in mind that there are always different views and there will ALWAYS be. It takes 2 wings to fly a plane. You know, the whole checks and balances thing. This thread originally started as a statement made by lord knows who and people get BENT! Michael didn't author the OP, he copied and pasted it to share. I doubt he had any intent to stir up a political debate. The point being........ It was funny and puts alot of things into perspective, regardelss of your political views. Grandma always said....... Religion and politics................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 How much gas do ya get out of a 55 gallon barrel of oil? 4-5 tops? are ya sure ya did the math right? And its not just about $ its also about the environment and reducing emisions! The barrels are 42 gallons and yield 19 to 20 gallons of gas each. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelhead77 Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 It takes 2 wings to fly a plane. You know, the whole checks and balances thing. Yeah, but doesn't it seem like the right wing is making a lot more noise these days? Grandma always said....... Religion and politics................ Agreed. That's why I ended my discussion of the topic with "Peace" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Algae Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 The fact is that it is a political statement. The oirgin of this statement is atributed to Americans For Tax Reform (ATR). The President of ATR is Grover Norquist a Reganomics "guru". The slant is definately conservative, without debate about it's merits or lack of. It is a relief to see it aired without persoal rancor and a measure of respect towards each other. This thread originally started as a statement made by lord knows who and people get BENT! Michael didn't author the OP, he copied and pasted it to share. I doubt he had any intent to stir up a political debate. The point being........ It was funny and puts alot of things into perspective, regardelss of your political views. Grandma always said....... Religion and politics................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael7979 Posted October 29, 2009 Author Share Posted October 29, 2009 Wow! I only posted this because I thought it was kinda funny! It is not even mine. I found it on the web. Didn't realize I started a war. :) :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewie Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Yeah, but doesn't it seem like the right wing is making a lot more noise these days? Not really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewie Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 It is a relief to see it aired without persoal rancor and a measure of respect towards each other. We ought to have a beverage together sometime. (drinking) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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