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A shot of the equitment. The list- -Aqua Medic 250w HQI Halide with 15k bulb-239.95 -Coralife SuperSkimmer 65-87.99 -Mag 9.5-73.99 -QuietOne 1200-20.99 -Coralife TurboTwist UV 9W-99.99 -Visi-Therm Stealth heater-20.99 (x2, an extra one if something goes wrong with the first) -Coralife Digital Thermometer-6.99 -Coralife Power Center dual-33.99 -Some computer fans- Freebie -Oceans Motions 4-way squirt-150.00 Total=734.79

Well it is finally coming together. I am begining to set everything in motion and starting to set up my 50gal corner pentagon tank. All I can say is that it has cost me alot more then I had orginaly planned! I will be including a price list of everything, I know people always ask what it costs to get into something like this and no one really has a break down, so hopefully that will help. I went with the corner pentagon, becase I got it for free! My step dad got it from a LFS who was going out of business, and never used it, so I convinced him to give it to me for free. My real dad is incredible with building things from wood. We started the stand but only got the build the stand and hood and never really got to finish it, and he has become consumed with work and lives in hood river, so I finally said I need to finish it. The stand does not look like I had wanted it to, but I live in an apatment and lack proper tools to finish it like I wanted. I went the route of a roller and some good paint. It has turned out better then i thought...So overall I am pretty happy, hopefully my tank will look so good that no one will notice anything that might be wrong with the stand Please ask anyquestions that you would like!! With that said, I will be posting pictures and writing stuff as the pictures are posted...

This is so cool, that so many people know, Although he was a huge influence and like everyone said pretty much the first guy to have all this in the state. I remember when his place was so crowded that you could not fit two people down an aisle. It would be great to get him to come to one of our BBQ's.

Yeah I thought you were with him, he told me about the whole thing. Its a shame it happened to him.

Jay I know I opened a giant bag of worms, that was the plan. I like to see people's thoughts on certain things... I learn from people and their views, so I figured we can all learn from eachother, plus I figured it would get people talking and it has who knows maybe I will ask another question of the sort. Jay I agree with you on the things you said, about the tax issue and that hand me up thoery. Also I really think a test could be taken before you have a child and some sort of reward if that test is taken and passed or at least the classes. Do not get me started on the Oregon trail card...Yes for a little bit of time it is fine, but after a certain amount of time then it should be cut off. Unless someone can really prove they need the card (for example: They are working two jobs and just really can not survive.) This thread is wonderful, thanks for everyone taking the time to chime in.

Wow, I am a post whore on here... But how come we are not on their list for the reef clubs? is there a reason for it?

I know this is a wierd question, but there was a man named Bob, who sold fish and coral out of his house over in gateway. Did anyone ever go to him? He had some amazing things and he has been in the hobby for well over 50 years. he was the only person I bought stuff from, curious if anyone else knew of him? I believe his business was called Gateway Tropical.

yeah I have the 4way squirt... I was just making the observation, some people might miss it. Glad you enjoyed them.

Something to notice is that flow is not just one direction is switches from one direction to the other constantly. Its interesting, maybe if we implement something like this in our tanks (some people do now, but more on a hobbist wide scale) this could lead to better health overall. I think these surges could help in food collection, as it will move it everywhere and put food in places it normal would not be. Also maybe make different parts of the coral get like that might not have otherwise ( I am talking soft coral and who know maybe the polyps os SPS and LPS) I do not know, just guessing.

here are some very cool diving videos...for people who have not been dving this will give you an idea of why you should... Not to mention for anyone who owns a reef tank, this gives us something to strive for. I hope everyone enjoy's.

New?? I have 5 of those in my tank, lol...that is pretty cool!!!

(party) Happy Birthday, Kux (party) So (drinking) to you!!!!

I was thinking, maybe there can be a forum to post a question that could pertain to all the vendors, that way a person does not clutter up the specific dealers with the same question for all of them... For example I am looking for who carries cali black worms..Now if there was just a general forum, where I could post that question and all the vendors could check it (instead of going into everyone's own section) they could all give responses. Something to think about maybe I am crazy.

I think that alot of people, have this idea that kids are alot of fun. And that they do not really require the work that they actaully do. I also think that the "american life" reqiures a child in thier life. In most cases if someone says, they do not want children people question it and think there is something wrong with it. On top of all of this, I think the biology of humans also makes us want them and not think everything through. All these reasons I think make alot of people, think they want kids, then once they have them they can not afford that child or do not want to take care of it. This is where I think classes might help...If the classes showed how much work and money children do cost. As for the welfare thing, you are correct...people will have more kids to get more money. Thats why I think that if someone has more then one kid is on welfare and has not had a job for more then a year, they should not be able to get on welfare. Will this harm some children? yes, do I think the would be less problems in the future. Maybe this would kick some lazy [language filter] people in the pants to get a job and work. Or they will go, well I do not want to take care of a kid and if I do not get money for them no point in having them. This is also a reason I am for planned parent hood, the more birth control we can get out the people the better.

Do you guys carry cali black worms? if so how much?

This is wonderful!!!! Someone who realizes kids are not all banana pancakes and dancing with toothbrushes If you do not think you can afford them, then do not have them. And your mother is what I am talking about she was not lazy, she was a single mother that was finding it hard to get a job, but she did and raised and took care of you, these parents should have children...Sure it might be hard, but hey that is life!!!!!!!!!!!

I totally agree with the cap, they are doing it in China and it is working out very well!!! See I think there are some people out there, by society's standards have some issues (like your parents) but are fit to have children. Your parents are a prime example. And that is amazing and I wish we had more people that have their determanation to do things in life and get them done, no matter what life has given them. (this is not for you spayne I am just writing instead of making another post)And there is always an exception to the rule in everycase, so yeah there are children that have come out of a very bad home and gone on to do amazing things...there are also people that have shot 12 nails into their head and lived, I mean anything is possible, so when I asked the question I am thinking of the norm and not the weird freak chances.

We have to keep in mind that this would be in an ideal world so to speak... We have to take a test to pass high school, college, to drive, to own a concealed weapons permit and the major one I want to talk about adopting a child. We require people who want to adopt a child to go through and pass a class to do so and to make a certain amount of money and provide a certain home enviroment. Should we require the same thing for people who want to bear children? I say yes! If you can not support yourself, do drugs, do not have a job with no intention of really trying to provide for a child, a place to live, a history of major violence, etc. then you should not be able to bring another human into this world. I also think you should have to pass a course regarding the care and upbringing of a child. I understand, it would be very hard to force people to take this test since all you have to do is have sex and you have a child and not to mention in a sense it is a natural right to bear children. But I think that alot of people do this soceity alot harm by bringing children into this world with such a major handicap, as having parents who do drugs, beat them, do not work and have no intention of working and then putting a child into the world with no sort of help to become a productive member of society. Am I alone here? I would love to hear people's thoughts. I know this would be impossible, but I am just asking the question.

Yeah, I will need to do that, Lowes sucks at cutting nothing lines up!!! I will take you up on that, PM sent.

Well I found out that Lowes has plastic and will cut it for free if you buy the sheets..So on my lucnh I went over there and got it cut...I still need to go to Tap plastics and get the epoxy for it, but this should be very interesting..and expensive project if I screw up (fingers) ...but If it works it will be only 60 bucks for a 20 gallon sump with 3 chambers. (fingers)

this might help you... http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2006-05/gh/index.php