JManrow Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 (edited) Why would someone be excited when a fish stops eating? When it's a male Banggai Cardinal! I bought a pair of Banggai Cardinals from cerc185 last month, both very healthy and eating well. I noticed the male did not eat this evening, so the first thing I did was look for eggs. Sure enough, his mouth looks to be full of eggs! Time to do a little reading up on incubation time and all. I have raised freshwater mouth-brooding cichlids, and I hear this is very similar. They are both being very secretive having out behind the gorgonians right now. He did venture out while the female ate. I mainly need to watch for her being territorial over the male. Edited March 4, 2015 by JManrow 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cerk1985 Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 That didnt take long! Lol congrats, be prepared for lots of live baby brine shrimp. The fry when first realised tend to ignore food if its not moving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JManrow Posted February 12, 2015 Author Share Posted February 12, 2015 I've got eggs/hatchery. I suppose moving the Cardinals to a tank by themselves would be best. I have a 20 that's housing a Mandarin right now, and looks like she's ready to go into the display tank. Should I move the male or the pair? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JManrow Posted February 12, 2015 Author Share Posted February 12, 2015 That didnt take long! Lol congrats, be prepared for lots of live baby brine shrimp. The fry when first realised tend to ignore food if its not moving. Going to order some starter rotifers too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sroberts Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Sounds like lots of fun. I have raised koi spawn several times and end up with thousands of fish. They start in the spring looking like mosquitoes and end up being about 4 inches long by the time fall rolls around. Let me know if you have some babies (a couple)you want to get rid of when the time is right. I hope you can keep them healthy until they are bigger. Have fun with this! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JManrow Posted February 12, 2015 Author Share Posted February 12, 2015 I will. in the meantime I am reading Breeder's Registry articles http://breedersregistry.org/maquaculture/my-notes-and-observations-on-raising-and-breeding-the-banggai-cardinalfish/and whatever is available online. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClark Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Very cool, congrats! I had a nice batch but failed to raise them. The male was old, finally died of old age. If these end up getting listed as endangered (have they?) how cool is it that they are being raised by people like us? Good stuff! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitrillion Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Thats awesome good luck with them! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JManrow Posted March 3, 2015 Author Share Posted March 3, 2015 Here are some pics of the new kids. I count 5 so far. Good thing I have rotifers going. Time to hatch some Brine Shrimp eggs. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JManrow Posted March 3, 2015 Author Share Posted March 3, 2015 They are using a colony of zoas as their hangout. I will keep all the larger fish well-fed until they can be moved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitrillion Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 They are using a colony of zoas as their hangout. I will keep all the larger fish well-fed until they can be moved.ill take one:) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JManrow Posted March 4, 2015 Author Share Posted March 4, 2015 The male is still holding fry in his mouth. They seem ok in the main tank, but feeding them may be a problem unless I move them as the male releases more into the tank. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JManrow Posted March 4, 2015 Author Share Posted March 4, 2015 I should have moved the 5 out when they were easy to catch. Now there are 12 and staying under a rock ledge out of reach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bombertech Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Forgive my ignorance on Cardinal specific fry raising techniques as I've only researched clowns, BUT, have you looking into using Reed Mariculture TDO? It's a dry food that you use following a few days of rots to get the feeding response going. it's worth a google. Congrats!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sroberts Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Wow, Looks like they are getting pretty big already! Great work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JManrow Posted March 4, 2015 Author Share Posted March 4, 2015 Forgive my ignorance on Cardinal specific fry raising techniques as I've only researched clowns, BUT, have you looking into using Reed Mariculture TDO? It's a dry food that you use following a few days of rots to get the feeding response going. it's worth a google. Congrats!! Dave Durr was using that or something similar (Otohime) with his clowns. Thanks! These guys are about 1/4" already. They shouldn't be difficult to raise. The main thing right now is getting them out of the main tank! Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JManrow Posted March 4, 2015 Author Share Posted March 4, 2015 I left a message with Randy Reed about it. I would think they are large enough to accept TDO or OTO now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JManrow Posted March 5, 2015 Author Share Posted March 5, 2015 (edited) I got some good tips from Randy. I will add some Otohime to the live rotifers or brine shrimp. Mixing them together they see the live movement and hit the Otohime. That would significantly reduce the amount of live food I would need. I have live rotifers, newly hatched brine shrimp, live copepods, and frozen copepods(S.F. Bay Brand Reef Plankton, similar to Cyclopeze). I have 11 Banggers in the mesh breeding trap, and only 1 more to catch. The little guy is harder to catch than all the others. They were much easier to catch as a school! I just caught him! I finally just put my hand under the rock and chased him into a net. Edited March 5, 2015 by JManrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JManrow Posted March 5, 2015 Author Share Posted March 5, 2015 All 12 Banggai Cardinal fry are in the breeding trap and eating baby brine shrimp, rotifers and frozen copepods. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Excellent! Tank bred fish are the future of the hobby, so glad to see this 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JManrow Posted March 9, 2015 Author Share Posted March 9, 2015 (edited) I'm using a high protein breeder food that I have pulverized that has all the same ingredients plus a few more. I didn't feel it was necessary to order 1 or 2 kilos of TDO or Otohime for a dozen fry. I am still going to supplement this with Nannochloropsis enriched brine shrimp and copepods. Edited March 9, 2015 by JManrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishmanmike01 Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 This is pretty awesome. Happy for you, what an experience. If they make it and you need to part with any gimme a shout. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JManrow Posted March 15, 2015 Author Share Posted March 15, 2015 (edited) The Banggais that spawned in my home aquarium released their free-swimming young on days 19 & 20 after mouth incubation. The original 12 are now 14 days free-swimming, and eating mostly finely powdered Cobalt Aquatics Pro Breeder Flakes...very high in HUFA(Highly Unsaturated Fatty Acids). Here they are this morning. Also, I am posting some YouTube video. Banggai Cardinal Egg Transfer A Beautiful Invasion: Banggai Cardinalfish Edited March 15, 2015 by JManrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JManrow Posted March 16, 2015 Author Share Posted March 16, 2015 Have been feeding the fry 3 times a day. Was up late last night and missed their morning feeding. 3 of them are looking very weak, and probably won't make it. That's one thing about raising fry... it is time consuming and you can't take a day off, let alone 1/2 a day! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JManrow Posted March 16, 2015 Author Share Posted March 16, 2015 The moral to this is... if you want to have much of a social life outside of home, don't raise fish. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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