TheNanoReef

Impur should be depositing the funds this week (Monday?) when i see them i will order right away.

I hope you guys are excited and ready. I am working with miles to get the $$$ and we are ready to go pending our last person paying. I am also going to see if i can get a freebie or something since this is a large order... something like a free bladesert or something.

BTW, thanks garrett for hopping in to help!

Sounds great folks! i will send a message to Impur to get the ball rolling. I will update when i get info.

that trigger is looking nice. what is your speed out there?

Sounds fine to me. if anyone needs me to i can hold ont your saw at the shop. I have a basement.

if you can get 5 more to join i can probably get the price even lower

yay, if you need to pay you can paypal Impur or you can come into the shop and pay (cash please, no credit). My wife will be in during the week, she is not fully versed on the group buy but she can call me and we will get it done.

MarkVo came in and paid today for his saw. what is our tally? almost there folks!

Well you have gained me as a shopper I don't live there but do go there a lot and will be stoping by to check it out

 

The reason you trying to save us money and that is a big plus in my book

Thanks. I appreciate it!

Sad thing is as I read this I start thinking I should raise my prices closer to what I see in shops....but that would go against my beliefs and the mission of CA2OR Corals. I do agree there should be a bit of discussion to avoid irrational decisions or statements...

 

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Do what works for you man!

For the record, when i was contacted about the few items on the group buy that were under map (by less than $1) i tried to discuss my point but then gave in and agreed to pull said products to keep in the agreement. the next day i get the call closing the account due to some interesting reasons...

I have been a member here for years. i dont get to the meetings often because they are on sunday, but i do see people around and have been on the forums and a paid member for a long time. I didn't expect this kind of drama... but then again we all love some intrigue dont we?

Like i said before, i dont bear ill will. I forgive easily and apologize for my mistakes. in this case i did try to resolve the issue and thought it was done. I want to thanks you all for the discussion. if you have questions i would be happy to answer. I have nothing to hide.

We don't need people "who run a smart business" we need people with knowledge and experience. Why don't you go be the CEO of PETCO if your really from a "multibillion dollar marketing division". Keeping fish is about a lot more than trying to "make a profit". "now how is a new shop going to get customers from a group like that?" Heres a novel idea why didn't you open your shop where there wasn't already a store that offers the same service. If your such a keen business man surely you would have foreseen the conflict of interest, unless of course you intended to steal business away with lower prices.

 

IMO Let the best LFS win, and let me go out on a ledge hear by saying it's definitely NOT the nano reef

I don't have to explain myself to you Gill. it is clear that for some reason i don't know, you don't like me, fine. Don't support my shop. Those who come to me know they will get experience and assistance without a condescending attitude and with flexibility to help with any type of reef or freshwater setup.

if anyone ELSE has a question i will gladly answer it. i have nothing to fear from free exchange of information. I just choose not to deal with web "trolls" who just want to pick a fight to make me look bad. if you support another shop, thats fine. i wont cry or lose any sleep over it. just dont try to start a fight with me because you like another shop so much.

I think there is an underlying issue here. When a new store pops up in an already saturated market and then undercuts everyone below any reasonable price (in what is already an impossible business due to competition with the internet) I guess I just don't think it serves to benefit anyone. If a shop wants to make it they have to offer something that the others don't. You can't just give everything away in a hope to win everyone over and in the process hurt all the other stores.

So a few questions.

1. who says the other shops are offering things at a reasonable price? they do? who is to say what a reasonable price is?

2. how is a new shop with few suppliers and inlets in the market going to offer something the other shops cant get their hands on? if you tried to open a shop you will see that price is the only hope right now in this economy.

you talk about hurting the other stores. we all choose where to set up shop. my buddy and i took our time to find a shop that was really cheap to avoid the overhead some of the other shops endure. I see no reason to pay more just because they have more rent to pay. it all comes down to the business decisions we make and the cost we decide to pay. we choose our own risk.

If you try to undercut the competition what are you trying to do? Are you trying to get everyone to cut there already awesome prices? Sounds great until no one can pay there bills and we have no LFSs left. If an online store sells something for one price and they have no overhead (like all the amazing tanks we get to admire everytime we visit the LFS) then why on earth would we expect an LFS to sell them for the same price. LFS owners provide us the opportunity to SEE what we are buying and to learn from their experience. If we want their services we have to spend money with them or they simply wont be there anymore. If your paying cost then your really not helping the LFS and you might as well shop online. IMO you should shop at the store you want to be around next time you need advise or just want to kill some time at on a Saturday. These are tough times for everyone and we should rally around the stores that really matter and not just take pity on the ones who in my opinion engage in somewhat questionable business practices.

Those who run a smart business will know what i am doing. I choose the items to make a profit margin on and the items i price low to bring in old and new customers. Now some shops get complacent and happy because they have little actual competition because everyone is charging in the same range.

now how is a new shop going to get customers from a group like that? if i charge the same price what is the hook? the customers might come in and look around but they are going to buy from the other guys first since they have been around longer.

I came into this market from a multibillion dollar marketing division. I dont play stupid games with my customers or my competition (or my suppliers). I am going to give you a reason to come into my shop and then you will see i am trying to work out pricing that makes us all happy.

In all honesty I have not sold much at cost since the beginning and i am certainly not selling the bulbs for cost. I did use that as a beginning hook with the salt (no problem from my supplier then???) to bring customers in but in the end i price items at a level i can make enough money to work with in my shop. EVEN THE BULBS IN THE GROUP BUY

I have no need to undercut the other shops. I just have much lower overhead and less of a need to make as much on the product i am selling.

This whole ordeal has shown me who of the other shops is a friend and willing to work together and who is not. I promise my partner friendly shops that they will get word before i drop any major bombs in sales and some of them will join me. the other shops have not so i guess they can just keep on with their current strategy.

I do what i do because i know it will work and i can afford it. This economy is hard and it is not easy to start a shop especially with as slow as the summer has been. but in the end it is also hard on my customers and i am trying to help some of you stock up and get the supplies you need. I hold no ill will to anyone except those who have tried to push me around. and in the end i am a forgiving person and would be happy to come to a compromise if it was offered.

Feel free to come buy from me. I have strengthened some bonds with shops and made some new friends both close and far. I can probably get more now than i ever could have gotten before. I will still give you a deal almost every time. and if you buy a lot i will give you even more of a reason to come back! and if i dont have what you need i will still call around to the other shops and find it for you while you wait in my shop!

Come in during the week and say hi to my wife. she is taking over the weekday shifts so i can work my other jobs. She is not experienced like me but she will do her best to get you what you want and she will call me if there is anything she cant figure out.

thanks, peace, im out

ok, off my soapbox

Sorry folks, I have to be very careful what i say on the forum as there could be repercussions. i have made my point in my forum. there is a lot more to this than meets the eye.

ok, let me sweeten the deal. anyone who participates in the group buy will get the group buy price on replacement blades as long as i am here to give it to you.

correct. I will let you know if otherwise

Kris just came in to the shop and paid for his. Impur, can you give us an update on where we stand?

If you need i could give you a store based price certification. you need to ask them what level of price cert they require.

your prices are low on many of those. think replacement cost!

Go to multicraft plastics for the stuff you need. Tap is overpriced. lemme know if you need another shop as a go-between

have him look at their site and i will see what i can do.

If some of you prefer to pay cash to me directly that is fine. I can inform Impur. My main concern was the short hours i am open due to working 3 jobs. we can make either work if needed.

Thanks for heading this up Miles. I don't have time for much these days so your help is appreciated.

if you want an extra blade or two don't forget to add them on. i am getting a deal on them for the group buy as well.

Ok folks, lets get this going.

DFS-100 ReefKeeper Saw = $170 (trust me, this is the absolute lowest i can go, the group buy is what gets this price)

90007 - Replacement Diamond Blade - MSRP $69.95 (group buy price $50)

90012 - Replacement BladeSert - MSRP $2.95 (group buy $2.50)

This covers purchase and shipping to my shop. you will need to pick them up there or arrange for shipping from there. They will not drop ship, sorry.

I will order when all money has been delivered. I cannot do credit on this or i will actually lose money :( Thanks for the opportunity to help!

OK, i am just trying to tie a few loose ends and we will be good to go. I will have pricing on the saws and blades soon. Keep in mind the pricing will be group buy and we will need 10 folks minimum.

Lol, they did until they hired me.

i manage the office as well as marketing. and i provide the IT support they don't get from their web team or their server guy.