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    Is a good 5-stage RO System sufficient with city water?

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    I don't think you can quote the scientific principal.  You do boast a lot.

     

    You should read a little more and understand some history. 40 years of professional experience shows most people don't need DI. It was common knowledge, before the internet came about and fancy groups like this we're created. We've keep 1000s of aquariums long term. The experience is vastly greater than most. That's not boosting, that's just facts.

    Is a good 5-stage RO System sufficient with city water?

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    For me it is more about personally visiting successful tanks and learning from that success.  

     

    Anyone with a great successful long term tank is a cool reef kid to me!  

     

    I put more stock in that these days than any marketing claims for sure.

     

    Again, I hope you hear what I am saying.  I am open to the idea that DI is not necessary, its an interesting discussion.

     

    Understand that.

     

    The science speaks for itself. There's no proof 0 TDS does anything better for any tank. So, it's a piece of mind deal, which isn't worth it money and hassle wise.

     

    It was actually common knowledge in the the industry/hobby before the internet came around and mass economy marketers started pushing it.

    Is a good 5-stage RO System sufficient with city water?

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    Can you give us a little background on your claimed expertise.  Is it just you or are you speaking for others as well?  Whatever, how about some idea of your experience, education level and past publications.  If you are in fact Darwin, I don't want to argue.

     

    Check the article linked too. Owner of American Aquarium Products. Might want to check the bio as well. 40 years professional service.

     

    I have no ill will towards fresh ideas, just sharing my personal approach for what its worth...

     

    When MattV, Stylaster, SaltwaterNewbie, ReefnJunkie, MrBret, Softy etc dump their DI and continue to be successful, I might just follow suite based on this discussion!  

     

    Thanks for the info...

     

    It's not fresh ideas. DI of late became very popular when mass marketers for economic goods started pushing it...

     

    I don't expect that second statement to ever happen, my 5 years being part of this group has proven that if you not in the cool kids club, you have no influence, but they'll make sure to get your donation each year ;)

    Is a good 5-stage RO System sufficient with city water?

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    Yes, this is totally debatable.  

     

    I agree with the your logic, and hold no ill will towards people bringing fresh ideas.

     

    Copy the local pros with amazing tanks, be amazing too.

     

    it's my current motto!

     

    Thanks for the discussion.

     

    It's debatable, but your debating with someone who's had experience with 100s of applications with many different RO/DI units in the hobby.

     

    That's more experience than 100 people have in a lifetime with their one or two sets-ups they have for a decade?

     

    If you follow the crowds, your most likely going to follow people who end up followers marketers with the deepest pockets. Which is how DI entered the market.

    Is a good 5-stage RO System sufficient with city water?

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    I understand what your saying, as that's the typical reasoning for most all marine keepers when they hear this.

     

    With a TDS of 250+ a well designed TMC RO will have about 7 TDS afterwards. In 100s of applications 7 TDS vs 0 has never shown to make any impact in the aquarium. So, your paying for a piece of mind you do not really need. The amount of anything that could be the bit enough harmful would be in such a trace amount, it would be nothing compared to ocean water.

     

    And, who's to say, your not taking something out, which would be beneficial, which your not replacing with the salts used, since most all people use economy salt.

    Is a good 5-stage RO System sufficient with city water?

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    I really appreciate it. And there is a part of me who wants to believe it too.

    But there are so many other people out there who highly recommend RODI.

    So I'm very confused.

    I'd probably wait a day more to order a unit, so I can get more feedback on it

     

    Sent from my SM-N915V using Tapatalk

     

    Well, take it from professionals who have kept 1000s of tanks. The people would think you need DI have been fooled by economy RO units, then popular hobby personalities like Mr. Saltwater Tank Guy get a hold of it and it becomes truth in this hobby.

     

    This is the single #1 myth in this hobby.

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    Anyone tried Dual Home Reef by Air Water & Ice?

    in Air, Water, & Ice

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    Used many brands over the years and found a quality 3 RO will do better than a 4-6 stage RO/DI. There's no reason you need DI, unless your making a car battery or a couple other unique cases. I recommend the TMC RO over the ones mentioned here. The design is different, so less water bypassing the membranes. It has a pentrac membrane, which is medical grade. better than any Dow, A 3 stage TMC will having the same or lower TDS than a 4-6 stage RODI. Ends up saving you money, cause you don't have to replace more, including DI, which is expensive. People will also get a booster pump, which is not needed with TMC. Another way to save money.

     

    http://www.aquarium-pond-answers.com/2016/01/use-of-ro-di-softwater-in-aquariums.html

    Randall's shallow reef

    in Tank Threads

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    yea its taptalk i can see it on the laptop, good looking tank for sure!

     

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    Thought so too... These are older generation emitters at that. The new fixtures have even better color in my opinion. One of the trick things about the new fixtures. The emitters are patented from Osram... "Nature Perfect" First emitters developed to be the same color as the natural ocean, can be over driven, plus take moisture variances (which usually lead to shorten life of aquarium LEDs) ...PLUS, what you see and what are provided to the corals are two different things. Light blue to the eye, with dark blue/purple power. Nothing else like them :cool: :cool:

    Anyone else catch the news with BRS?

    in General Discussion

    Posted · Edited by Trigger334

    Makes a difference if you need to make a return or get a refund on DOA livestock with a company. Shipping charges are very rarely refundable, so better to spend $25 on an item with free shipping than $20 on the same item with a $5 shipping charge. 

     

    The standard policy is to refund about 85-95% on free shipping. If there's a refund/return and they refund the shipping back, that's very nice of them, cause that money out of the retailers pocket, for more than likely misuse, or a change of mind on the customers end. Add that up over a year, with how many people do this, it adds up quick. It's becoming a unfortunate thing that the hobbyist expect from big discounter companies like Amazon, all the while, forcing smaller businesses to shut down.

    Lighting

    in Equipment

    Posted · Edited by Trigger334

    I'd recommend looking into the TMC line. 1 tile would cover the 29 gal with their square spread. All patented tech from the UK. Great light blue color, with dark blue/purple power.

     

    AAP also picked up the AI HD, which allows dimming of colors, while over driving others. Pretty cool tech. Or the TMC V2 iLumenAir (Simaliar build to the Maxspect Razor and Zetlight)

     

    http://www.americanaquariumproducts.com/LEDLights.html

     

    http://www.americanaquariumproducts.com/LEDOther.html

     

    Ships out of Oregon. TMC has the longest warranties on the market, which warranties will tell you the quality of the LED build IMO

    Good RO/DI unit???

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    There's a reason these are such a good price and that DI.... you don't need it. An extra expense, you don't need. The reason they are cheap, is because of the cheap membranes, which are completely outdated, back to when RO first came out. You will hands down, have better success with a quality 3 stage with no DI, then a 4-6 stage cheap RO/DI. Plus the added expense of having to replace more membrane and that DI resin... spendy... These units also have been known to concentrate certain things like Nitrate or Ammonia...

     

    http://www.aquarium-pond-answers.com/2016/01/use-of-ro-di-softwater-in-aquariums.html

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    Heavy weight entering into reef tank fixture market

    in Golden Basket

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    As I understand it, the point of having more diodes is to improve the spread and reduce the disco ball effect. A great example is the Lani LED by Triton.

     

    I guess that would be the case, if your trying to maximize PAR, by using narrow beam emitters. In TMC's case, they use 120 angle emitters, with only 10 HO diodes.

     

    If there are wide enough optics to mimic the spread of a 15" or 20" mh reflector or a t5 parabolic then by all means let me know. The one thing leds really bring to the table right now over other light sources is efficiency and controllability. last time I checked the datasheets for every popular 3w led used in current fixtures they all hit their peak efficiency when driven at around 1w or 350ma. So to maintain that efficiency it is optimal to run a higher diode density at less current which also has the benefit of increased spread and light saturation. The one downside is the increased up front cost because of the increased diode count. I am not sure what circuitry issues a higher diode count would entail as long as proper drivers and power sources are used and as for moisture issues I know a t least one fixture on the market that is waterproof so with the proper design it shouldn't be a problem.

     

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    The fixtures I'm thinking are TMC, which have 10 emitters 30 watts, all driven at 700mA. I'm not sure what effciency of each emitter is, but when I check on a couple of thm, they were designed to be driven at high mA and still maintain their lifespan.

     

    One problem with many of the fixtures with many more emitters, they don't have the proper circuity, especially when it comes to dimming and using multiple types of emitters. Many are just "daisy chained" like Christmas lights. With more and more diodes in these set-up, there is an increasingly chance of issues. Then add moisture that will get into that circuity over time... so while the quality of light is decent, there's construction issues I see to have a quality light set up long term.

     

    There are many different set-up/requirements. That I agree 100%. As far as a sole aquarium reef LED or diode... that has been out for some time.

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