giant squid

speaking of bombs, anyone for Jericho??? This show had me hanging on closer to the edge of my seat then Heroes end of last season.

do you mean the "aragomilk" liquid that comes in a bottle usually next to "purple up" at your LFS? or is there a product like a sand that sits on the bottom and slow dissolves?

cool man, i really appreciate the information. It helps understand these buggers a little more in detail which is exactly what i'm trying to learn about. Thanks again, -J.>>(

oh by the way, did i read somewhere that some flatworms change color when they are on coral?

I must have learned about "silly arguments" managing the zebrafish research nursery at the U of O cuz the scientific academia politics were purely insidious. And small arguments (if that's what they were) were synonymous with small advancements in research, in fact some researchers only understood you when you were at your wit's end. Strange, huh? Maybe these methods were unorthodox, but they certainly were commonplace. I couldn't agree with you more ryan, quarantine protocols, husbandry skills, and communication between aquarists are essential to advance sustainable mariculture practices, and i certainly don't write to these forums in hopes of living vicariously through an alternative ornamental fish sewing cirlce, i am simply a hobbyist looking for some straight answers. Thanks for the motivation. -J.>>(

now i'm looking at the coral and all the polyps are out, and not a weird thing to be found on it. what the..?

Well, i can certainly respect your point of view, i wish you all the best . As far as my coral goes, that piece has been in there for about 4 months now, and i have never noticed anything weird about it till you pointed it out. The polyps aren't always like that, and when i went to double check it after your post, i didn't see anything. But then i woke up the next morning and sure enough there was something there. They look different then the brown guys though, do they in fact change color when on a coral? Or are these an other type of flatworm? They still aren't feeding on the tissue i would guess cuz by now i would imagine there would be tissue necrosis and i don't see that, only poyps retracted and not all the time. Hmmm... What do you think?

If you are so big on quarantine procedures, why would it matter where they came from, be it wild collected or from a customer? Maybe i'm confused. You know, as you say, parasites are the number one reason that the trade of tank raised coral will not advance, but if you never take in coral from people, that could propably have an impact too. Thanks for the great conversation sean, and everyone, i wish you all the best as always...

So liquid sunshine had flatworms for awhile, and i might have gotten the worms from there, but i'm also familiar with the risks associated with buying living animals and the hitchhikers that may possibly tag along for the ride. Even if someone guaranteed the animal to be safe and clean when purchased, the risk still exists NO MATTER WHAT. That's the risk a consumer takes. I'm sorry i'm not as knowledgeable as you on the subject matter, but that's why i write to others here to get their opinions on what i can do about the situation, not to be told my corals are doomed and i'm wrong about an id on a coral. (flame) I love the option of being able to trade or buy/sell or get credit for corals that i raise at home. I believe that is great motivation for more people to grow coral at home, and makes the hobby more fun and educational. What better way to delve into a specific troubleshooting issue than for one to exist and to try to remedy it? Better to not exist at all, of course but all of us have had some problem at some point. I think the situation sounds extreme, but you say the sps coral had bleached overnight due to brown flatworms, and i say i'll get back to you in another 18 months and let you know if my coral are dead yet.

Well the acro slimer, acro milli, acro nasuto, pocillopora, Turbinaria, and three colour morphs of digitata that are in the tank would beg to differ, but they are in a higher area of the tank where the flow is greater, and not as many flatworms hang out there, but they are still there. It sounds like you had a run in with these little buggers, i feel your pain man, but maybe you had the predatory flatworms.? Dunno. (scratch)

I just put in a velvet sea slug to possibly help bring the population down a little. So six line wrasses are supposed to nibble on them too?

here is one of our tanks that has been running for 18 months with brown acoel flatworms. The coral thus far have never seemingly been affected in any way. Normal growth, and asexual reproduction in some of the coral has not been impeded. maybe a bit lucky, but the only time i have ever seen them directly on the coral is when there was existing dead tissue spots on them. Otherwise they just hang around the base.

so maybe i'm extremely lucky or something, but i've given up on trying to get all the brown acoel worms out of my reef tank. I've been living with them for over a year now with no reprocussions to the heath of the coral. They've never been on the coral itself, just around them, and don't seem to bother anything. Am i crazy??? Or can you acheive a "healthy" reef tank with aceol worms coexisting with the other animals?

Sorry, didn't mean to sound like i was attacking anyone for potentially poisoning hobbyists reef tanks, i was just concerned for the sake of the hobbyist. I work at Liquid Sunshine tropical fish and briefly battled this stuff when my buddy told me his horror story about it when he noticed it in our tanks. As the hobby is arbitrary, is sounds like we've had different experiences with it then some of you have. Sean has a great retail storefront as well as a wonderful website that offer a myriad of high end corals for a great price, and i totally support what you are doing and think Cichlids and Salt is a rad place to shop. Again my concern was for the hobbyist, and since there seems to be little information on this "alga" i wanted to be sure it was okay for reef aquaria. If anyone does find out what this stuff is, i would love to know. Thanks for all the great feedback and response to this topic...(rock2)

Eureka!!! That last one was it, that's the stuff all right. What is it??? A friend of mine battled that stuff for several months, and said it took over his tank, sheltering corals from light, and had to deal with it about everyday or else his corals would be covered in the stuff. What is it? Thanks!