siskiou Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 So, the cyano is still thriving, despite lots of waterchanges, new MH bulb, more flow, more snails added, sucking it out every day, and trying a three day lights out. After the no light period, my sps are really struggling and I'm going to lose some of them for sure, possibly all of them! I have chemiclean now, but am afraid to use it, because some people apparently lost all their fish and inverts, along with the corals. Should I take out the sps that still show some life, and transfer them to my 120G? I didn't really want to do that, just in case some of the monti nudis are still hanging around! And should I go for the chemiclean or not? I don't really know why the sps are having problems, since parameters are really pretty good. No ammonia, nitrites and just a slight touch of nitrates. No phosphates (as far as tests go), pH 8.1-8.3, Temp stable around 80, Alk 8, Calcium 400. Any ideas what could be the culprit? Tank was fine when I left for Germany. My husband and daughter took care of it while I was gone, and I don't think they really messed up severely, but now the tank looks really sad! :( I don't think I can replace the few nice sps I had purchased either!(sad) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowman Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 I have used Chemiclean before with no adverse affects to my system. You have to follow the directions to the letter however and do the waterchanges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael7979 Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 I have used Chem-Clean in the past with good results and it didn't effect any tank life. Fish, invert or corals. When you were doing the WCs did you clean up the substrate? Did you blow off the LR? There is something in the tank that is feeding the cyano. and until that is taking care of it will keep coming back. When doing the next WC I'd suggest clean a portion of the substrate. Not alot of it maybe like a 1/3, so you do not really disturb the good bacteria population. And then another third on the next WC until all substrate has been vaccummed. But don't do it to close to each other. Good Luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siskiou Posted April 17, 2009 Author Share Posted April 17, 2009 Thanks for the chemiclean reassurance, Lowman and Micheal! I'll probably do that tomorrow, so I can keep and eye on things and do a large waterchance, if things look bad. Did you run an airpump for the treatment? And yes, I do blow off the rocks and I sucked out as much of the stuff as I could, but each day it is back with a vengeance. The fish in that tank get fed a small portion of frozen once a day. I noticed that with the advent of the cyano, the coralline I used to have tons of in this tank has all but disappeared and my stomatella snail population along with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael7979 Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 No I did not run an airpump with the Chem-Clean. But don't forget to turn off the skimmer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowman Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Speaking of skimmer, did you put a new skimmer on that system lately? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siskiou Posted April 18, 2009 Author Share Posted April 18, 2009 No new skimmer on the 60! It's the skimmer on the 120 that's being replaced. But don't forget to turn off the skimmer! And thanks for the reminder to turn it off! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impur Posted April 20, 2009 Share Posted April 20, 2009 I've used chemiclean 3 different times in the past all with absolutely zero affect on livestock. I ran an airstone all 3 times. Are you running any GFO on that tank? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siskiou Posted April 20, 2009 Author Share Posted April 20, 2009 No GFO on that tank, currently. I added the chemiclean on Saturday, but being a chicken, I only did about half the dose and ran 2 airstones. It helped a bit, and nothing seems affected, but I'll have to do it again at the full dose. Today, I'm doing the waterchange and then I'll turn on the skimmer and get stuff out, and this coming weekend I'll do another dose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coralreefer Posted April 20, 2009 Share Posted April 20, 2009 I have used Chemclean a few times...did lose a 12 inch long tentacled anemone once and have noticed anemones shrink up and don't appreciate treatments. Must follow directions closely. Something sounds a foul in your tank...are you missing any creatures? Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siskiou Posted April 20, 2009 Author Share Posted April 20, 2009 Thanks! I could use some good luck right about now! Everyone in the tank is accounted for, and parameters are essentially great! I'm starting to wonder if something accidentally got into the tank, while I was on vacation. One thing I started fairly recently (about 2 months ago) is dosing with Randy's 2 part. But I'm using the same stuff on my 120G and see no ill effects there. I'm hoping the many waterchanges I'm doing will help, along with the chemiclean, to get on top of the cyano and get out whatever is messing with the water chemistry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impur Posted April 20, 2009 Share Posted April 20, 2009 Suzanne just dosing half the recommended dosage is inherently bad and will only make it tougher to battle the cyano. As you can see, half the dosage did not do anything to the cyano, and now it can build a little immunity to the chemiclean. I have a feeling you are going to need a higher dosage or multiple treatments now. GFO really helped kick my cyano problem, i think it was the thing that put me over the top. I know what you are going thru, its a pain for sure. Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siskiou Posted April 20, 2009 Author Share Posted April 20, 2009 So, the stuff *is* an antibiotic? It actually did help quite a bit, just not 100%. I will dose again this coming weekend, if need be, and use the full dose that time. Hopefully the cyano will still be susceptible to the treatment! And I'll try and modify my coralife ozone reactor into a GFO reactor. I just need to find some sponge stuff to cut to the right size and plug the airhose somehow. Thanks for the advice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impur Posted April 20, 2009 Share Posted April 20, 2009 Yah do a full treatment this time around. Your livestock will be fine. Chemiclean is an oxidizer, i can't really be sure if cyano can adjust to dosage levels but better to be safe than sorry IMO. I do think if you hit it with a full dosage then follow that up with GFO and maintain WCs/syphoning you will kick this stuff. Just toss some GFO in a HOB filter. I was doing that for the last 18+ months with great success. Just recently switched to a reactor to save some space around my sump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siskiou Posted April 20, 2009 Author Share Posted April 20, 2009 Just toss some GFO in a HOB filter. You mean it can be that simple! (clap) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impur Posted April 20, 2009 Share Posted April 20, 2009 Yep, water just needs to pass thru the granules so don't pack it too full. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siskiou Posted April 22, 2009 Author Share Posted April 22, 2009 Miles, do I assume right that you put the GFO in a media bag in the filter compartment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impur Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 Yep .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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