pdxmonkeyboy Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 i am putting a sub panel in my shop i am wondering the following: do i have to run the feeder through conduit all the way to the panel? it would be easier to just run the feeder run behind the panel and into the top of the new panel... instead of conduit in the bottom and then running the feeder through the panel to the main lugs. 2x6 studs btw free beer for any assistance Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabbyCrabs Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 It does not need to be in conduit if it's not exposed, if it's in a wall behind sheetrock no conduit is needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabbyCrabs Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 But... Conduit is a good thing as it can protect from nails, screws, etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabbyCrabs Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Your idea works but I would go in the bottom of the panel with the feeders run inside the box, but that's just how I would do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabbyCrabs Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 I'm jealous. My garage has one shared 15 amp circuit and power in to house comes on the other side of my house. To have an electrician put a 60 amp sub was like $5k, eventually I'll do it but requires pulling basement ceiling and digging a trench between house and garage. 😬 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabbyCrabs Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Is your ground bare? If it is I think the wires must be bundled in conduit. If it's coated or in a bundled set they don't need to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xmas_one Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 I wouldn’t leave it in romex, especially if you are going to drywall over it. Last thing you want is a mouse/rat nest in the wall and one of those little bastards starts chewing on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdxmonkeyboy Posted November 4, 2018 Author Share Posted November 4, 2018 ok, sounds like just having it in the wall is fine. This is not romex, it is SER underground rated service wire ( there is a difference code wise) and has a pretty tough coating.. maybe not rat proof though. The ground is going to the rebar grounding rod that can be seen in the picture. that rod is tied into the rebar in my stem walls. i was thinking bare copper was ok then because its not in the underground conduit. Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuncrestReef Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Just curious, what kind of shop? Woodshop? Machine shop? Other? Years ago I converted my 2 car garage into a dedicated woodshop with a 60 amp sub panel. Then I got too busy with my career and my woodworking hobby went dormant. Someday I might get back into it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetVet Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Not an electrician,but have wired two homes and a large shop. Did you check your local building code? I’ve saved countless hours and money by placing a call to one of many inspectors. I had one that came out onsite to mark studs and help map out. They would rather have homeowners ask, then write failure notices and return for reinspection. Just a thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetVet Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Not to mention your insurance will not pay in the event of an accident or fire if wired without permit....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabbyCrabs Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Disregard all above. Romex IS wired inside walls, period. That is how homes are built. Petvet is right/wrong. Homeowners can work on their homes without permits depending on the job. Insurance has nothing to do with it. Do not call inspectors asking for advice. Inspectors, in general, are idiots. One inspector says this, another says that. I've run into this before. Heck, my dad couldn't get a final on his garage due to inspectors even though literally everything was code. We moved studs, wiring, beams, etc.... To meet code. My dad was an engineer and only paid to have garage built to avoid this bs. It didn't help. I have wired a few grow rooms. If you would like me to see what you are working with send me a pm and I would be happy to take a look and give you my non professional advice. I err on the safe side though. 110 is always wired 20 amp with 15 sockets, I use GFCI or arc fault outlets or breakers. Pm me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdxmonkeyboy Posted November 4, 2018 Author Share Posted November 4, 2018 well, a couple things... 1. its the city of portland so calling someone isnt an option, you get a machine. 2. yes, you always get different answers from.different inspectors. I blew a gasket once on an inspector that wanted me to "unglue" all my vent pipes on a bathroom remodel because a t was facing the wrong way. He eventually just said fine and approved it.3. i have permits... yes insurance won't cover illegal permit. 4. this isnt "romex" romex is rubberized plastic sheathed line for outlet runs, this is a feeder cable. I dont know if you can have a service cable inside a wall. I think you can but my inspector is...ummmm..not very helpful. Perhaps I will plow through the NEC. Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabbyCrabs Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 I'll look at my dad's garage, that passed all inspections. It might have metal conduit though since it comes directly from the roof through the wall. Then goes from that panel into basement where the whole house panel is located. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdxmonkeyboy Posted November 4, 2018 Author Share Posted November 4, 2018 I found out that true service lines...power from the street must be in conduit the whole way since they are not connected by a fuse. My suspicion is that since I am installing a sub panel...and it has a breaker on both sides, i can put it in the wall with protection.Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabbyCrabs Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 If the inspector is an asshat, like most are, I'd err on overkill and put it in conduit to the bottom of the panel. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjmdh Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 My wife was a building inspector in Texas and she says that you might have two options depending on the inspector. 1. Conduit all the way either in the bottom or the top. (the most code compliant) May or may not pass depending on what the inspector will accept for the wire being protected. 2. Put a nipple on the conduit you have, drill a hole to fit the nipple in a 2x6 to run horizontally so i looks like the nipple is threaded into it, mount your panel to one side or the other, run the wires to the top and in with a clamp in the panel, then completely box the wire in with 2 x what-ever so that it is "protected". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdxmonkeyboy Posted November 14, 2018 Author Share Posted November 14, 2018 thank you! i have decided to do just that. Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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