kjlife Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 Any one have advice on a good return pump for a 65 gallon 40 gallon sump about 3 feet lift something that's affordable also lol any advice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodus Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 (edited) Heres a few good options for your size of tank from least to most expensive: Mag Drive 7 $90 VarioS-2 by Reef Octopus $195 Vectra S1 by EcoTech $275 Edited October 31, 2018 by Exodus spelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NateDawg Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 I've used ehiems, and the newer versions of the dc jebao pumps, both are pretty cheap and quiet. The jebao can be hit or miss though, I've had mine running for 3 and a half years and have just cleaned it twice a year and it's kept it's pressure the whole time. But I always keep a spare on hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabbyCrabs Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 In my pond I use cal pumps, far superior to danner mag drive pumps. Been going over 10 years, been frozen solid, clogged, run dry, etc.... Mag drive lasted less than 2 years and was never frozen or run dry. But that's a pond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dynellep Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 Maybe marine aqua fron aquarium station. Not sure of the rep but another brand to research. It has a mode to replacea powerhead flow with just the return pump. I'm experimenting with one now. Does have a breaking period I'm learning. Jabeo is pretty good too. Dc is the way to go unless you have a specific application for a certain head pressure and rpm, but pumps only control flow ie lph/gph and psi being secondary without control based on flow path. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danlu_gt Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 Jebao are super quiet and inexpensive. I have 4 and one went bad after 2+ years. I think if I had cleaned it more frequently, it would still be working.Sent from my SM-N950U1 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Z Reef Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 I’d also highly recommend Jebao as well, I’ve had many last 2+ years with minimal cleanings. The newer models have more built in electrical safeties that the early models didn’t. get a DCP model, they are silent! I run DCT models and they have a slight hum to them but still quieter than any mag drive or AC pump. My buddy bought a DCP and you can’t even tell it’s on! Pretty sweet and for your application it should be $70-80. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjlife Posted November 2, 2018 Author Share Posted November 2, 2018 So look into jeabo dcp pump? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjlife Posted November 2, 2018 Author Share Posted November 2, 2018 Any idea which model dcp 25000-60000 I think are the model numbers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjlife Posted November 2, 2018 Author Share Posted November 2, 2018 Also any know about the jeabo cp wavemakers which size should I get for that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjlife Posted November 2, 2018 Author Share Posted November 2, 2018 Jebao DCP Sine Wave Water Return Pump (DCP-2500) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B078WHWG2Y/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_cA92BbSY01AWM Is this one big enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodus Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 You can use this Calculator -> http://reefcentral.com/calc/hlc2.php If you intend to go with Jeabo I would consider buying 2, It would be wise to have a backup in-case of Failure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjlife Posted November 3, 2018 Author Share Posted November 3, 2018 On 11/1/2018 at 9:48 PM, Exodus said: You can use this Calculator -> http://reefcentral.com/calc/hlc2.php If you intend to go with Jeabo I would consider buying 2, It would be wise to have a backup in-case of Failure. That calculator doesn't list jeabo it gives head pressure loss? Lol confuses me even more I have a couple pumps now I forget what there called some no name say 633gph on the side seems like they don't pump fast enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodus Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 17 minutes ago, kjlife said: That calculator doesn't list jeabo it gives head pressure loss? Lol confuses me even more I have a couple pumps now I forget what there called some no name say 633gph on the side seems like they don't pump fast enough Well of course it doesn't have Jeabo; its an older calculator, though the same math applies. Many of the pumps on the calculator are still around and easy to find their specs. You find a comparable model in flow output and use that to calculate roughly how much head loss you get with your Particular plumbing and what the flow output would be, knowing that a return pump should be (At Least) 5X turnover with a 65 Gallon you want that flow output to be (A Minimum) of 325gph on that Calculator. Your Jeabo DCP-2500 Has a Max Flow of 660gph Well a Mag Drive 7 is 640gph so roughly in the Same ballpark (A bit conservative) With my plumbing configured into the calculator i get Total losses are 4.44 feet of head pressure, or 1.92 PSI. with a flow rate of 456 GPH. Process took 99 iterations. That means if you had my exact plumbing you would be getting 456/65 ~7X the turnover of the 65 Gallons you stated. (Though probably less as I don't think your 65 includes Sump Volume) whereas if you were to go with DCP-5000 @ Max Flow 1450gph compare that To a Little Giant 4 MDQX-SC @ Max Flow 1325gph my plumbing would provide:Total losses are 6.23 feet of head pressure, or 2.69 PSI. with a flow rate of 1061 GPH. Process took 144 iterations. So in this case with my plumbing 1061/65 ~16X+ (Being DCP-500 Is Larger) A pump that would be rated much higher than Needed, Though If DC This can be adjusted. Obviously this shouldn't be considered an "Exact" Science, there is a bit more when it comes to each pump and exactly how they are made, but this is enough to give you a ballpark figure of what your looking for, for Visual Representation you can watch this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdZm4uYKG3U Also keep in mind most recommendations that are provided from users are "What they Purchased" Everyone who suggested Jeabo felt the need to tell you just how long it has lasted, though that question wasn't even asked, and there is a good reason for that. I can't stress enough if your going to go with something so Cheap Buy 2. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjlife Posted November 4, 2018 Author Share Posted November 4, 2018 Yea that's why I don't know which route to go the pumps I got with the used setup I bought are ecoplus 633 gph and they arnt adjustable the reason I feel they are too low is the water isn't draining constantly so it makes different bubbling noises that are annoying and I don't want to get something that is totally overkill I decently want a DC pump so I can adjust the flow I've been using jeabo powerheads on my current system 30 gallon with no problems so I do like the company so far only been running them about a year though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjlife Posted November 4, 2018 Author Share Posted November 4, 2018 Would probably go with the 3500 jeabo if I went that route the 2500 seems a bit to low sump is about 40 gallons also Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Z Reef Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 I’d always oversize with a DC pump since they can be adjusted down. Also, with most electronics, they last longer when not run at the upper limits. I’d get a 3500 or even the next size up. Always check prices on Amazon for them as occasionally larger models will cost less. Jebao CP pumps don’t have the best reputation, many had early failures. If you want a budget Gyre pump, get the Icecap version instead. https://www.bulkreefsupply.com/1k-gyre-generation-pump-with-controller-1000-gph-icecap.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMItfbd-Oq53gIVF73sCh005gmQEAQYASABEgK1v_D_BwE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjlife Posted November 5, 2018 Author Share Posted November 5, 2018 21 hours ago, Blue Z Reef said: I’d always oversize with a DC pump since they can be adjusted down. Also, with most electronics, they last longer when not run at the upper limits. I’d get a 3500 or even the next size up. Always check prices on Amazon for them as occasionally larger models will cost less. Jebao CP pumps don’t have the best reputation, many had early failures. If you want a budget Gyre pump, get the Icecap version instead. https://www.bulkreefsupply.com/1k-gyre-generation-pump-with-controller-1000-gph-icecap.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMItfbd-Oq53gIVF73sCh005gmQEAQYASABEgK1v_D_BwE I was looking at icecap as well but wasn't sure the 1k would be enough on Amazon it say recomend 10-30 gallons I think but if that one is sufficient I'd get it similar in price as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimusprime3605 Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Ordered 2 DCP4000's for my frag tanks, arrived last week and so far, they are extremely QUITE and works great. Don't know how long they'll last, hoping at least a year, but for $70 a piece, not too shabby... Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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