TheClark Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 More details: https://www.facebook.com/1511705699091667/photos/a.1586411778287725.1073741829.1511705699091667/1615803182015251/?type=3&theater Elegant Corals "Micro Scrubbing Bubbles" Technique for the Reef System... smile emoticon Allows the corals to release excess slime and waste... Allows the coral membrane to breathe and allow for better osmosis and ion exchange with the water column...Oxygenates the water and de-gasses excess CO2 in the water column out of the system. (Skimmers and a little ball of chaeto is not sufficient... sorry...)We recommend 8 to 10 hours a day counter cycle for the first week, then 2 to 3 hours a day counter cycle to the display tank lighting to maintain a more consistent and stable pH level. The correct pH greatly improves the calcification rates of all hard corals... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClark Posted January 5, 2016 Author Share Posted January 5, 2016 I have done air pump to powerhead before. Similar idea, just about turns the entire tank into a skimmer. Did not track results but enjoyed trying it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenbasketreef Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Isn't it the majority of aeration happened in skimmer chamber and also when water come down from baffle to create waterfall effect? Excessive aeration could cause the tiny bubbles to get stuck underneath the coral tissue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StayPuff Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 (edited) Funny you posted this i was exactly thinking about adding a air stone to my return pump area i have always done this in every salt water tank i have had and things went well. I was told 25 years ago to put air stones in where the return pump is so it has stuck with me and actually will be doing that today as well cant hurt anyhow right? Edited January 5, 2016 by StayPuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClark Posted January 5, 2016 Author Share Posted January 5, 2016 Interesting experiment for sure. For anyone with an apex, if this is making a ph difference it will be clearly visible in the ph charts in just a couple of days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClark Posted January 5, 2016 Author Share Posted January 5, 2016 Isn't it the majority of aeration happened in skimmer chamber and also when water come down from baffle to create waterfall effect? Excessive aeration could cause the tiny bubbles to get stuck underneath the coral tissue. That's what everyone has told me too Rudy, there are some surprising claims in the text. I guess at the end of the day we have good tools to measure if it impacts PH as claimed. I am a tad skeptical too but it is interesting. Hmmm... Stuck tiny bubbles would not be good! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StayPuff Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 That's what everyone has told me too Rudy, there are some surprising claims in the text. I guess at the end of the day we have good tools to measure if it impacts PH as claimed. I am a tad skeptical too but it is interesting. Hmmm... Stuck tiny bubbles would not be good! I used it for many years and had sweet coral tank never had a problem with the set up.. I don't know all the scientific stuff other than I used it and worked good for me To lazy to go get a air stone pump so ill wait until tomorrow 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClark Posted January 6, 2016 Author Share Posted January 6, 2016 I used it for many years and had sweet coral tank never had a problem with the set up.. I don't know all the scientific stuff other than I used it and worked good for me To lazy to go get a air stone pump so ill wait until tomorrow Do some before and after shots, should be fun to monitor! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MVPaquatics Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 I have seen micro bubbles kill corals. At night when they feed they can actually ingest bubbles and cause embolisms that cause tissue damage. Yes bubbles happen in nature but there are also currents that clear them. I don't think non stop bubbles are a good idea. Keep bubbles in the skimmer and the sump is my recommendation 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClark Posted January 6, 2016 Author Share Posted January 6, 2016 One caution also is wear on the impeller. Depending on the type of pump too much air could be a bad thing akin to running it partially dry. Too much is the key word! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClark Posted January 6, 2016 Author Share Posted January 6, 2016 Although digging through the 100 facebook comments, there are quite a few who claim it helps. It's interesting for sure... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeramy Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 I see this and shudder at the thought of how much salt creep would be generated by all those bubbles 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KyleSproul Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Your corals would hate this. Bubbles everywhere. I got an ato so I would never have that problem again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClark Posted January 6, 2016 Author Share Posted January 6, 2016 Those arguments you are all bringing up are valid concerns IMO. However, I am just dying to see if the PH is impacted. Last night I tested it using an airline to a wp-60, with a tiny air pump. It worked well. Remember the old school powerheads in freshwater that could had a venturi and an airline? Similar concept. Naso tang was stressed (not cool) all other fish were happy. Certainly not recommending this, just a reef hacker at heart and love trying out new stuff... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saltwater newbie Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 How much ph difference did you notice Jeremy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Z Reef Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Nice experiment Jeremy, suppose it's worth a shot. My issue is when I test my pinwheels in my frag tank for instance and make bubbles everywhere for a minute all the corals get upset and acros start sliming. They only do this when something makes them mad, so I have to assume they are irritated by the bubbles. However, I have run air stones in my display when treating cyano with ChemiClean with no ill effects. Hard to say on this one, but I definitely wouldn't enjoy it during the light cycle. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClark Posted January 6, 2016 Author Share Posted January 6, 2016 Nice experiment Jeremy, suppose it's worth a shot. My issue is when I test my pinwheels in my frag tank for instance and make bubbles everywhere for a minute all the corals get upset and acros start sliming. They only do this when something makes them mad, so I have to assume they are irritated by the bubbles. However, I have run air stones in my display when treating cyano with ChemiClean with no ill effects. Hard to say on this one, but I definitely wouldn't enjoy it during the light cycle. That's some good real world experience thanks for the share. Tank is micro bubble city right now, monitoring closely. Of course the tank is in the office so I can watch it off and on with a quick glance. Here goes nothing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClark Posted January 6, 2016 Author Share Posted January 6, 2016 PH graph for reference, nothing amazying yet. Started at 8:13 AM and the PH is rising as it normally does... ORP for the heck of it... Always seems to run inverse to PH Co2 in the room is hovering in the 550-650 range, pretty typical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClark Posted January 7, 2016 Author Share Posted January 7, 2016 Day 1 complete. No impacts I can see positive or negative. Maybe the water is a tad clearer... Will run at night from now on as suggested for a week and report back for anyone interested... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClark Posted January 7, 2016 Author Share Posted January 7, 2016 Night 1 complete. PH did flatten out just a tad. Not much of a swing from daytime PH but still not a dramatic change.... When the lights come on I will check out water clarity. The mark on the graph is the start of the experiment, before that is history for comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattv Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 I aerate my frag tank with no ill affects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClark Posted January 7, 2016 Author Share Posted January 7, 2016 I aerate my frag tank with no ill affects. You are a pioneer Matt, always love hearing your techniques. Thanks for sharing. How do you aerate it may I ask? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattv Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Aeration is provided by a 2 story drop to my basement, key is lots of flow to help keep the bubbles from settling on the corals. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexinverts Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Aeration is provided by a 2 story drop to my basement, key is lots of flow to help keep the bubbles from settling on the corals. 2 story drop? I'd like to see a picture of that system! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruz Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Micro/nano bubbles (created by the shearing of bubbles from the flow of water) does not get trapped under the corals tissue... That has been a misconception in the hobby. https://youtu.be/r4rJKypLijA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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