moovinfast Posted July 5, 2010 Share Posted July 5, 2010 So I'm trying to figure out what to do with my sumps for the new tank. Its going to have 2 tanks hooked together. A standard 55gallon and a 60 gallon cube. I was going to put all the equipment in the cube along with the return pump. I was going to divide the 55 gallon tank in half with some plexi and turn half of the 55 gallon into a DSB with the other side as the intake from the display and to use as a fuge with some rock rubble and some Cheato. What are peoples thoughts about using a remote DSB? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gill Posted July 5, 2010 Share Posted July 5, 2010 I like this idea, you could add pistol shrimp to it and not have to worry about them destroying the display. I love pistol shrimp!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newfisher Posted July 5, 2010 Share Posted July 5, 2010 IMO....I would DSB the display,overflow to the 6o cube, skimmer 1st, then to the 55 rubble/macro fuge and back to the display,taking advantage of a larger DSB. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moovinfast Posted July 5, 2010 Author Share Posted July 5, 2010 Dont really want to try to put 8 lines through the DSB in the bottom for the closed loop. Also, I think 8" of sand in the display tank would look funny. That would be a ton of sand to make 8" in a 4x4' tank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Algae Posted July 5, 2010 Share Posted July 5, 2010 So I'm trying to figure out what to do with my sumps for the new tank. Its going to have 2 tanks hooked together. A standard 55gallon and a 60 gallon cube. I was going to put all the equipment in the cube along with the return pump. I was going to divide the 55 gallon tank in half with some plexi and turn half of the 55 gallon into a DSB with the other side as the intake from the display and to use as a fuge with some rock rubble and some Cheato. What are peoples thoughts about using a remote DSB? I like the idea! I have heard that a benfit of RDSB's is that the sand bed is more effective as it gets deeper. One of Anthony Calfo's ideas was to use a bucket (ie. salt bucket) filled up with a lot of sand and have slow current running across the first couple of inches and back into the system. This could be done with a maxi-jet going into a bulkhead in the tank and bulkhead and line returning to the system. He suggested to have the bucket and lid opaque to discourage nuisance growth in the RDSB. I am going to run a RDSB on my system too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeFit Posted July 5, 2010 Share Posted July 5, 2010 http://www.saltcorner.com/Articles/Showarticle.php?articleID=22 http://www.wetwebmedia.com/deepsandbeds.htm good read on DSB's and how it all works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pledosophy Posted July 5, 2010 Share Posted July 5, 2010 What are you trying to accomplish with the DSB? Are you just looking for nitrate removal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moovinfast Posted July 5, 2010 Author Share Posted July 5, 2010 Re: Remote DSB...? i thought it would help to remove nitrates. Dont have a problem with them yet, but we will be adding more large fish in the new tank. Figured this would be the time to add it to the new set up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pledosophy Posted July 5, 2010 Share Posted July 5, 2010 Am I reading it right that you are going to have a 60g cube display and then a 55g sump/refugium/remote DSB? I think I am missing an element here because you wrote the return pump was going in the 60g. Sorry to ask so much upfront but I want to make sure I give you the right advice so I need to understand fully. I don't want to tell you something you have problems later because I read something wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newfisher Posted July 6, 2010 Share Posted July 6, 2010 240g display, 60g cube sump, 55g fuge/dsb? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newfisher Posted July 6, 2010 Share Posted July 6, 2010 Do you have room to put the 55g above the 60g cube? You could tee off the return to supply the fuge and let it overflow back into the 60g Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pledosophy Posted July 6, 2010 Share Posted July 6, 2010 240g display' date=' 60g cube sump, 55g fuge/dsb?[/quote'] Thanks, glad I asked. I don't think that the size of DSB your talking about would have much beneficial effects. IMO if you just want nitrate removal, and you want to do it biologically, then keep the 55g barebottom, and use it for chaeto growth. You can use 7 or 8 of the refugium spiral bulbs. Add a couple of koralia 4's and get a good amount of flow through the refugium. It will remove the nitrate and give a haven to grow food for the tank. Cut the chaeto in half and trim it back to the soze of two large grape fruits every month or so. JMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CA2OR Posted July 6, 2010 Share Posted July 6, 2010 Re: Remote DSB...? I agree with Kevin here....micro algae would be far more benefitial IMO Sent from my Droid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeFit Posted July 6, 2010 Share Posted July 6, 2010 you could do both in that big of a tank. mangrove and cheato on a DSB. yah! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moovinfast Posted July 8, 2010 Author Share Posted July 8, 2010 Re: Remote DSB...? dont have room to put the 55 over the 60. So you think id be better off doing all cheato instead of turning half of the 55g into a dsb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moovinfast Posted July 8, 2010 Author Share Posted July 8, 2010 poll I was going to try to add a poll if I should make the 55 a DSB w/ a fuge or just a fuge, but I couldnt figure it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tanktop74 Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 What is a dsb?? If you go undert the thread tools tab you should be able to add a poll. Beth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeFit Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 The problem with a DSB is that if they aren't maintained or setup well, they can become nitrate, detritus and or phosphate traps. You typically want a stand alone DSB to be of the finest sand possible, aragonite if possible, to assist with buffering but also keep it in as dark of an area as possible to deter algae growth. I have seen some DSB's combined with macro algae or mangroves but i'm not sure how successful they are or how hard it is to maintain a healthy DSB with live plant growth. This is something I too have been contemplating implementing into either my frag tank setup or my 120 system. The 5 gallon bucket setup is looking more and more appealing to me as time goes on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeFit Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 What is a dsb?? If you go undert the thread tools tab you should be able to add a poll. Beth Deep Sand Bed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tanktop74 Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 Deep Sand Bed DOH DOH! Wow that was a huge blonde moment (and I am not blonde!)... I knew that! LOL Thanks! Beth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moovinfast Posted July 8, 2010 Author Share Posted July 8, 2010 Thank you. Poll added. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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