reefgeek84 Posted July 27, 2006 Share Posted July 27, 2006 Illegal immigration...thoughts on it? I am watching 30days right now and the is the subject. I do not think that anyone should be here with out the proper rights to be here...No matter what country they come from. Taxes need to be paid and I do not think that anyone should have special treatment. Also, if you are living in this country, speak my Dam langauge!!!!! Any other country would not have 2 languages written everywhere...if you do not speak their langauge and you live in their country, tuff luck...better learn how to speak it. The whole excuse that things would be higher prices if they were not here (ex. housing)...that is crap...houses are way more expensive then they ever have been 750k for a house that is not custome built and 3,500sq ft. , that commands enough money to pay at least 10 an hour for the basic jobs. It is easier for an illegal to get instate tution then me, that is wrong. I am sure I am really going to piss some people off with this one and my thoughts on it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impur Posted July 28, 2006 Share Posted July 28, 2006 I agree some some extent. I think if you are going to be here you should jump thru all the hoops and pay taxes, jus like everyone else. There should not be specific gov funded programs to help illegals out. I am all about ppl speaking English in this country, trust me. But remember, even our ancestors who founded this country came from all parts of the world and not all spoke english. It takes 2 to 3 generations, but eventually they speak it well. I deal with a lot of illegals from mexico daily, and if they say "Speaka Spanish?" My reply is no, can one of your kids translate please. That usually works. Have you seen the standup act by Carlos Mencia? Its freakin hilarious. He is talking about this issue of the fence on the border. So we want all the illegals out of the country. Then we are gonna build a super fence. Well who is gonna build it if we kick all the illegals out?!?! Maybe we'll just have them build it, then slam the door on em. Well it looks really good from this side, lets go check out the other side. SLAM cya! lol its freaking funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nu2reef-n Posted July 28, 2006 Share Posted July 28, 2006 Let's get real. If our government is so worried about terrorists, why haven't they sealed our southern border. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reefgeek84 Posted July 28, 2006 Author Share Posted July 28, 2006 I agree some some extent. I think if you are going to be here you should jump thru all the hoops and pay taxes, jus like everyone else. There should not be specific gov funded programs to help illegals out. I am all about ppl speaking English in this country, trust me. But remember, even our ancestors who founded this country came from all parts of the world and not all spoke english. It takes 2 to 3 generations, but eventually they speak it well. I deal with a lot of illegals from mexico daily, and if they say "Speaka Spanish?" My reply is no, can one of your kids translate please. That usually works. Have you seen the standup act by Carlos Mencia? Its freakin hilarious. He is talking about this issue of the fence on the border. So we want all the illegals out of the country. Then we are gonna build a super fence. Well who is gonna build it if we kick all the illegals out?!?! Maybe we'll just have them build it, then slam the door on em. Well it looks really good from this side, lets go check out the other side. SLAM cya! lol its freaking funny. I love mencia...he speaks the truth about every race and that is what I love. I get the point of how the country was founded...I guess I just think they should really have to pay taxes and go through what ever hoops they need to. I do not just blame them, I blame all the people who employ them and know they do!!!! I know greed is in everyone's blood to a point (including mine) however I think that the people that employ them have taken it to another level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ahbrit Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 so how do you define illegal immigrant? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JManrow Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 ok Keith... wheres your Green Card? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impur Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 ok Keith... wheres your Green Card? Ha ha busted (enforcer) (enforcer) (laugh) (laugh) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 I just can't believe that they stage a nationwide protest. We should have just rounded them up and sent them back across the border when they refused to do the only thing that we want them in the country to do. It is rather obvious that we should not be doing anything to help them out. I do think a guest worker program is a must. We make all the agricultural companies pay the cost for it. Require background checks and heck might as well make them wear a gps tracking device so that we know they leave when they are done picking the crops. Make sure we get the tax money from them. We spend far to much money catering to people that can't speak english. Pretty soon the road signs will be in spanish also. Oregon has got to be one of the worst. All of our state agencies bend over backwards for non citizens while people that pay the taxes here can't get services. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reefgeek84 Posted July 31, 2006 Author Share Posted July 31, 2006 so how do you define illegal immigrant? Someone who has come over here with out gaining proper papers... If these people paid taxes and were treated as I am (in regards to no special treatment) then I would not nearly have the problem that I have with them, but most of them do not pay taxes...again I do not fully blame the people, I also blame the people who hire them...if people did not hire them, I do not think as many would be here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefin' Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 ok Keith... wheres your Green Card? lol...i have one, it gets me into Bi-mart....lol I just can't believe that they stage a nationwide protest. We should have just rounded them up and sent them back across the border when they refused to do the only thing that we want them in the country to do. what your taco bell was closed that day....oh no It is rather obvious that we should not be doing anything to help them out. I do think a guest worker program is a must. We make all the agricultural companies pay the cost for it. if you new the profit margin or the lack of profit farmers deal with to pu t food on our tables.. they get gov. help just to stay runnin.what makes you think they need to pay for this...or can afford Require background checks and heck might as well make them wear a gps tracking device so that we know they leave when they are done picking the crops. Make sure we get the tax money from them. sound like something Hitler would say...are u german? We spend far to much money catering to people that can't speak english. Pretty soon the road signs will be in spanish also. whats wrong with that...inconvienence u....if u dont adapt or evolve u will become extinct....change is hard Oregon has got to be one of the worst. All of our state agencies bend over backwards for non citizens while people that pay the taxes here can't get services. u know why? cause 99% of mexican people work,just dont have insurance benefits.when most of the whites in the system dont,just are tweekers moochin of the system. to be continued.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H20cooled Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 I think my biggest problem with the whole thing is this: We are a country of laws (correct?); are we now going to start picking and choosing which ones we are going to enforce? If you are here illegally then you broke the law and you have to be prosecuted for that and sent back, there are NO if ands or buts’ about it. If we are not going to do that then we are opening our selves up for HUGE problems in the future, if we aren't enforcing this law why should we enforce one for rape, or murder, or even child molesters. Either we are a country of laws or we are not, there CANNOT be a gray area in enforcement. Also the financial, economic, and environmental impact that the illegal aliens are causing are taking a HUGE toll on a lot of locations. There’s an article today on MSNBC about the amount of garbage left in the dessert by illegals and how it is destroying the dessert. I've heard about towns having to close schools and hospitals because they cannot afford to provide free services to people who 1 don’t belong there and 2 do not pay for the services or into the taxes. Also the welfare that is paid out to illegals is HUGE and is starting to bankrupt towns. Another thing is the fact that because our borders are so open anyone can walk right in, this means illegal aliens from Latin countries as well as from anywhere else (i.e. terrorist states). So, what is stopping a terrorist from walking right in? NOTHING! President Bush talks so much about stopping terrorist with monitoring phone calls and email, airport security, and other things, but has done NOTHING to stop them from pouring in. That's like talking about flooding in a town and ignoring the leaks and cracks in the [language filter] holding the water back. I have a huge problem with this and I honestly don't believe that the Government is doing anything to stop terrorist in this country, if there were really concerned about it they would close the border completely. Unfortunately I don't think we will see any changes to this until we have another major terrorist attack on the US. I hate to say that and I hope that it never happens; but I honestly believe that it’s just a matter of time. I think the reason for not closing the border is the fact that our current government and the ones from the past are in bed with the Mexico government. Look at NAFTA, talking jobs away from the US and sending them to Mexico. The president opening talks about how great the Mexican president is, this is the same president who will not do anything to help his own people. What’s also funny is that the Mexican president talks about how bad it would be to close our border with them and use the military to do it; but he uses his own military to stop anyone coming into Mexico on there border. There is a new government deal that is much worse then NAFTA coming out soon and it would be completely open trade between Mexico and the US, there is a government website that lays it all out but I can’t find it right now. Its very scary though. Ok, that's enough ranting from me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H20cooled Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 Reefin... So, what do you think then? SHould we just open up the border then and let anyone come on in? What about terrorist, maybe we should get some lays and put them around there necks as they come in and give them a big hug and tell them peace not war man... Sorry man but the 3 things that man us a country are: Borders Language and culture We lose those and we have NO country, we have a total lost of laws, order, and freedom and our country will fall apart very very quickly. lol...i have one' date=' it gets me into Bi-mart....lol[/color'] u know why? cause 99% of mexican people work,just dont have insurance benefits.when most of the whites in the system dont,just are tweekers moochin of the system. to be continued.... So, I guess you hate white people then? I agree that there is a HUGE problem with our welfare and government system, but a bunch of people that are here illegally pulling off of it just makes it worst. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impur Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 lol...i have one' date=' it gets me into Bi-mart....lol[/color'] u know why? cause 99% of mexican people work,just dont have insurance benefits.when most of the whites in the system dont,just are tweekers moochin of the system. to be continued.... Some good points, but lets see how you feel when they have burned so many companies with their bogus social security number that they cannot get credit. Then guess what they do, pull another one out of thin air. What if its yours? Keep in mind all the money companies lose by helping these people as it is now. My company charges off 3+ million dollars a year, and i'd bet 3/4ths of that are illegals. But we can't just turn them down because of that, thats discrimination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefin' Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 im for a controlled border..all im saying is that people are complaining that they arent payin taxes.dont tell me u guys never had a family member that was working "Under the table" for one reason or another..and didnt pay taxes.... well im sure if more of them were let in legally, they would haveno problems payin if it meant they could stay...they wouldnt have to stay under the "Radar" by not getting a social security #.....we still need these people to do work that most folks dont want to do for peanuts......so if you dont have a problem paying $3 for a head of lettuce,cause now that they are legal they are gonna want benfits and higher wages, and if not them ,then the white folks are gonna wanna be paid better.....i just think its all gonna hit us in the A#$ when the price of produce sky rockets.....and H2O, i never have had a problem with white folks(u guys have nice lookin women...lol)just crack heads(and most of them seem to be of the white ethnicity.....).im as racist as the rest of u guys are.(meaning your i not)...all my friends are white....lol ..i crack jokes on "Beaner" along with my friends even thought im half... they think its cool...i dont agree with the statement that the 3 thinks that makes our country are borders,language,and culture.....more like this countries is about being the paradise country and where u can come to have your dream come true...andmight i ask u H2O, wear is your families heritage from.....unless your from england then how can u say thats what this country is about....most of us and all of u caucasian are from foreigh european countries that spoke there own language .just like your ancestors did when they arrived here....did they speak english..or more like hungarian, deutch,irish, german, norwegian, italian, russian. i do agree with the culture thing thats what makes us a great country,cause of our differences in customs and language.......Impur, i agree that would suck if i.d. theft were to occur....crack heads are more the problem again more that illegals.....again if the system would allow more to come in to work legally, im sure this would not occur as much. Impur, also whats your line of business...i think u stated it was high interest loans...you know as good as i that u just attract business from people that are in a "situation". just like a payday loan place that exploit people... the customers attracted are generaly low income or in a bind somehow....now if if u worked at a place that did normal interest loans im sure u couldnt say that the company is lossing so much to illegals....so how can u complain about doing business with a bunch off non payin losers, when thats what that type of business attracts.. you ask yourself ,why would a company still be in business or do business with these folks.....cause it doesnt matter . the losses are a tax write off....business is business . p.s. and yes we are a country that pick and chooses our laws...... i dont know about u but the majority of people that think of themselves as law abiding are not.. they copy movies ,music, speed ,drink and drive, fish without licenses, etc......and then go to church... the government even does this...which ones they gonna enforce and which ones they dont.....the cops do this all the time.....so i dont know were people can call this a law abiding country...right now the gov is deciding to enforce this illegal thing , why do u think u hear about it now not ten years ago...there can be gray area... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefin' Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 just wanted to say i am not takin anything personal,and i hope nobody else is either... i hope i have no offended anyone...ill admit ive gotten a little excited over the topic, but am having fun... your brown friend, Reynaldo Gonzalez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impur Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 Not at all offended Yah i loan money to high risk ppl trying to buy cars. But i don't solicite people at all, we solicite the dealerships. The dealer decides what customers i see. Also i was not referring to only people from mexico. I just got an app on an illegal from russia! On that same note, some of our best paying customers are hispanics that speak no english. They get paid and turn around and hand it out to all the people they owe. They pay perfect, and most often payoff early. I love loaning money to those people, it just makes sense all the way around. So i see upsides and downsides to both arguments. Honestly i have no idea how to fix the situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefin' Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 Not at all offended So i see upsides and downsides to both arguments. Honestly i have no idea how to fix the situation. i agree ,win- loss situation..... me neither, i guess thats why im not a politician Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reefgeek84 Posted August 1, 2006 Author Share Posted August 1, 2006 There are many types of illegals in this country from all walks of life...however, it is undeniable that majority of the them are of Latino decent...I can promise that when people read my first post with this, they thought of that race...there is a reason for that...just like when you mention crack or meth you think of white people. I am sorry but the whole line about people fishing without proper paper or speeding, that is a retarded arguement...You can not compare laws across the board as equals...Other wise me doing 65 in 55 is comparable to a man who has raped 4 12 year old girls and then murdered them, I do not think so. That arguement holds no water... One thing that is positive about people speeding and getting fined is that supports ODOT, money is generated from it. People living here illegaly takes way more money from the system, due to wellfare, schooling, etc. yes they pay money to buy things but alot of them live off food stamps and gov. funded housing, so it is way more draining...speeding does not cost anything. However wellfare for people who are not paying taxes is draining more money then ever was put in... Are crack heads abusing this system? yes, but that does not make it okay for illegal people to pull off the system, so again that arguement is BS. I also disagree with illegals having special treatment...It is easier for an illegal alien to get in-state college tution (because poor old illegal has no money, boo F--ing hoo, become legal and pay taxes..then we can talk) , then me who has been paying taxes for 6 years and parents and grandparents that have been paying taxes for many, many years. Having illegals in public schools takes money from tax payers. Back to laws...You play the card of if someone else is doing it, then it should be ok...Wrong...Just because a legal citizen works under the table and does not pay taxes does not make it right for that person or other people to do so and no one is arguning that fact. But for the majority when it comes to comparing legal citizens and illegal citizens on who is paying more taxes it is legal ones...so please do not play that card...by in large illegals drain more off the system then crack heads, this is includes the basics, welfare, schooling, hospitol care, etc. If there were not illegals in this country, then we would have more money to try and fix our countries internal problems with the money left over. We all did come from different backgrounds and took this country from the native americans...is this right? no it is wrong. However we have now built a country with laws to keep this country fair, because the whole reason for coming over and having a new country was to allow anyone to come to it and live as long as they followed the laws and one of those laws is becoming a legal citizen. We have also learned from this mistake by slaughtering the Native Americans, that is was wrong and we should not do it...so because something has happened in the past does not mean it should happen now...other wise racism would be ok, discrimination should be ok...if we went by the mentality that well it used to be this way, then companies could say no to hiring a women, because that is how it used to be... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spayne Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 your brown friend, Reynaldo Gonzalez rofl I have nothing to contribute, just had to pat Reynaldo on the back for making me laugh! Jay and I did watch that "30 Days" episode last night where the guy lived with illegal immigrants. It was certainly eye-opening! Personally, I don't have any issues with people immigrating here... as long as they have to pay friggin' taxes, too! Fair is fair! (laugh) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R-3 Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 I dont understand the tax thing. How do illegal immigrants get away with not paying taxes? Am I misunderstanding something? Isnt it the employers that take the taxes out? Its not like a illegal can get a returnon his taxes so it sucks for them not me. They pay in and never get anything out. Later Ryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reefgeek84 Posted August 1, 2006 Author Share Posted August 1, 2006 I dont understand the tax thing. How do illegal immigrants get away with not paying taxes? Am I misunderstanding something? Isnt it the employers that take the taxes out? Its not like a illegal can get a returnon his taxes so it sucks for them not me. They pay in and never get anything out. Later Ryan No they get paid under the table... so no taxes are ever paid...it is like they do not exist. This is why I origanly said I blame the people that hire them...because they pay them under the table, so they do not have to pay taxes and do not have to pay high wages.. I am sure that they also get paid crap...so what happens is that the only person that sees any benefit is the person paying them, instead of paying a legal worker 7.50 an hour, he can pay them 4 bucks an hour and pocket the rest...I can promise that they do not sell or do anything cheaper with the money they are saving. Also if people were legal, they would have to allow them to have medical benefits, which would save on us paying this out of our pocket. Do not get me wrong, majority of latino workers are much, much harder workers then white people could ever dream of being as a whole race...but I still think they should become legal and really show us that they do jos that no one else wants, at least people could not whine about it...I just want taxes paid and people to be held accountable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R-3 Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 Most employers pay taxes. I know some dont but most do. I've heard this arguement time and time again. The people that are employing them are who are at fault. Not a immigrant trying to support his family. I just hope everyone remembers we all came over here on a boat besides Cheif (Jay) LOL I understand that there needs to be rules and we just cant let everyone in but be a little bit open minded. Later Ryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reefgeek84 Posted August 1, 2006 Author Share Posted August 1, 2006 Most employers pay taxes. I know some dont but most do. I've heard this arguement time and time again. The people that are employing them are who are at fault. Not a immigrant trying to support his family. I just hope everyone remembers we all came over here on a boat besides Cheif (Jay) LOL I understand that there needs to be rules and we just cant let everyone in but be a little bit open minded. Later Ryan Most employers pay taxes yes, but those that do, usualy require you to be legal to work in the US, so they do not hire illegals. The people I am talking about are farmers, construction, landscaping...they do not pay taxes on majority of people they hire, trust me!!!! I am open minded if they pay taxes and follow rules...Or they do not pay taxes and do not use anything that our government offers people who pay taxes. Yes, we did come over here on a boat, no one is denying that, however we came over here to establish a place where anyone can come and live, but they have to do it by rules and they are not, so they need to go back to where they came from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impur Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 A lot, in fact i'd say close to 90% of the people i finance have bogus social security numbers that they work under. They get paid and their employer takes out taxes. They just can't ever get any of it back since they are illegal. My company looked into this before we started financing illegals. They pay into social security and fed taxes. That money just sits there the entire time that social security number is in use for work and such. The gov collects interest on that money. Imagine the millions upon millions of dollars in revenue this is for the gov. Thats a key reason that not much is being done IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reefgeek84 Posted August 1, 2006 Author Share Posted August 1, 2006 A lot, in fact i'd say close to 90% of the people i finance have bogus social security numbers that they work under. They get paid and their employer takes out taxes. They just can't ever get any of it back since they are illegal. My company looked into this before we started financing illegals. They pay into social security and fed taxes. That money just sits there the entire time that social security number is in use for work and such. The gov collects interest on that money. Imagine the millions upon millions of dollars in revenue this is for the gov. Thats a key reason that not much is being done IMO. I disagree... All those guys that sit at the corner and wait for work, just get picked up and paid under the table...most illegals that work here do not speak english, so it is tough for them to get a job outside of manual labor, which in turn is where majority of them work and get paid under the table...This is a huge trend in construction...I know of people who work for these companies and this goes on all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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