Rick Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 Can anyone tell if these are True Perculas or Ocellaris? I was told Percula and they look like they are shaped a little different from the Orange Ocellaris I have in my other tank. It's unclear from searching though if it is even possible to find all black/white perculas so I'm not sure. I'm also having trouble getting a good enough picture (They tend to blend into the background) to really count the dorsal fins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewie Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 Amphiprion Ocellaris. There is no solid black/white Amphiprion Percula. Who sold them to you as A. Percula? Nice pair! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted June 25, 2009 Author Share Posted June 25, 2009 Amphiprion Ocellaris. There is no solid black/white Amphiprion Percula. Who sold them to you as A. Percula? Nice pair! Thanks, These are a mated pair that were given to me so it really doesn't matter either way. I was told by an LFS a few weeks ago that the solid black with no yellow on the face were Australian. Do you know if that is true/false? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewie Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 False. Most available in LFS's are tank raised. Usually from ORA. Wild B/W Ocellaris will have orange on the mouth too. By the time they are 1-2 years old, it fades to black. It varies from fish to fish. I have a 2" sub adult that has slight orange on his mouth, and a 1.5" that is completely black. Both came from ORA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted June 25, 2009 Author Share Posted June 25, 2009 How long has ORA been breeding them? These are somewhere around 5 years old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoseCityAquarium Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 From what I have seen and been told , the Australian black and white ocellaris that are tank raised in England have orange on the face. The ones I've gotten tank raised in Australia have not had any orange on the face. All black. From my experience anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedRed Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 I'm a noob so take it with a grain of salt... but i read that melanistic clowns can have some orange on their face when they are young, but will turn completely black and white as they get older. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted June 25, 2009 Author Share Posted June 25, 2009 Okay, so these are true percs then? It certainly looks like it to me. If so then the LFS I bought them from told me they were Ocellaris. LOL, it appears they were both reversed. In all fairness to Patrick though these were brought in by a customer and were still floating in bags when I bought them. Is the chance greater that these are wild caught? She never fails to try to hit my hand if I put it in the tank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewie Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 Those are A. Ocellaris. Nice Rose! Did you get it @ SWF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted June 25, 2009 Author Share Posted June 25, 2009 Here's another pic of the Black/White ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted June 25, 2009 Author Share Posted June 25, 2009 Those are A. Ocellaris. Nice Rose! Did you get it @ SWF? Huh? Eveything I could find to ID them said that 10 spines on the dorsal are Percs while 11 or 12 would be Ocellaris. I only count 10 unless I missed one somewhere. I got the rose 2 days ago as a bonus for helping move a tank. I don't know it's origin but there were several more in the tank it came from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewie Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 Can you get a clear pic of the eye? I'm 99.999% sure those are A. Ocellaris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewie Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 A. Percula A. Ocellaris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted June 26, 2009 Author Share Posted June 26, 2009 Here is another view along with a cropped portion at full resolution. I.E. This is probably the best I can get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewie Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 It's tough to tell by counting dorsal fins. Sometimes it's even harder to tell by looking at the outer ring of the eye (light color=percula, dark=ocellaris). I'm still pretty sure it's an ocellaris, possibly captive bred. Nice pair either way! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barelycuda Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 Your orange pair sure looks like Ocellaris to me. I would agree with chewie that the B&W's are ocellaris also. I have seen people advertise that they have B&W percula's but you will find people all day long that say they don't exist. Also based on their apparent size and coloring if they were perculas there should be a much more defined black outline on the striping. The striking at your hand is coincidental. One of my most aggressive fish is a captive bred female B&W ocellaris. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsoz Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 I don't know it's origin but there were several more in the tank it came from. Matt said that he moved it up here with everything in it 2 years ago. He said that he went into Soutas once and SWFS once and did not buy anything. I got one of them too. I don't really like the white spots, but it does glow more under my lights than my current RBTA clones. Maybe it will cool out after a while under the T5 lights. dsoz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brokenzoa Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 Your orange pair sure looks like Ocellaris to me. I would agree with chewie that the B&W's are ocellaris also. I have seen people advertise that they have B&W percula's but you will find people all day long that say they don't exist. Also based on their apparent size and coloring if they were perculas there should be a much more defined black outline on the striping. The striking at your hand is coincidental. One of my most aggressive fish is a captive bred female B&W ocellaris. Dave My most aggressive clown was captive bred as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted June 26, 2009 Author Share Posted June 26, 2009 Your orange pair sure looks like Ocellaris to me. I would agree with chewie that the B&W's are ocellaris also. I have seen people advertise that they have B&W percula's but you will find people all day long that say they don't exist. Also based on their apparent size and coloring if they were perculas there should be a much more defined black outline on the striping. The striking at your hand is coincidental. One of my most aggressive fish is a captive bred female B&W ocellaris. Dave Do you have true percs over there? If so maybe I could come check them out one of these days? (I finally found a reason to visit "THE" local clown farm I keep hearing about) I've searched hi and low for good information to describe the differences and the only thorough descriptions said that while the lines, eyes, etc. were usually indications one way or the other the only sure way to tell was by the spine count on the dorsal fin. Apparently even that isn't a definitive way to tell. It doesn't really make much difference to me I would just like to nail it down for future reference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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